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Skybird · 04-03-10, 04:08 AM

1. If staff works under time pressure, they make mistakes. You cannot avid it. A recent docu snippet on , just days ago, mentioned that 1% amongst pigs. And that is not referring to any special factory, Aramike. You cannot avoid it.

2. If you are exposed 6 hours a day to such things, you get desensitized, too. Everybody would. This is also a thing you cannot avoid.

3. There are alternatives to a diat heavy with meat. Healthy alternatives. It simply is not true that you cannot eat healthy without heaving your daily dose of "fresh bloody meat". I am not on a crusade, Aramike, I eased my earlier vegetarian lifestyle like I described - but I avoid buying factory meat in the supermarket or at regular slaughterers, but buy almost directly sat the source. Also, I eat meat rarely only. Admitted, that way it is not cheap. But there is a reason why supermarkets offer meat so cheap. That reason is careless industrial mass production - and that kind of production has no room for wasting time with too caring sensibilities regarding animals. And we know today that that kind of meat production also has drastic envrionmental costs (and I am not talking about methane, but ressources consummed, water for example). Whereever you have slaughtering factories, you must assume that regular horrifying events like described above, take place, and never will be avoided. Becasue the number of animals moving through these hells per day, range in the many hundreds and thousands.

4. The human body does not hunger for meat explicitly, we are no canrivores, but omnivores. If vegetarian food in sufficient diversity is available, we can löive by that all alone excluisvely, and healthy. But it is time and cost-intensive to do so and needs a lot of knowledge. Better is vegetarian diat coupled with accepting anmila produced products like milk, cheese, eggs. Note that industrial mass prodcution of eggs with chicken in huge factory cages currently gets banned in europe, it is already forbidden in Germany, I think. And that is good. the interest of the suffering and tortured creature weighs heavier than the profit interest of the producer - in this context I would say that is an ethical imperative.

5. Also note that I said I buy at a local farmer show becasue the slaughtering there is done outside industrial meat factories. The cattle neither suffers a long, stressful transportation, nor does it enter one of these hell factories.

No such factories. Meat production getting reduced massively. Cattle beign slaughtered at location and for local demand only. That'S what I argue for. I am no ideologic crusader wanting to ban eating of meat alltogether, but after having been on both sides of the fence I made a reasonable compromise with a very much redcued coinsummation level of meat, and taking care of where I get it from. I encourage everybody to do like me. It works well for me.

Eating plenty of meat, reguarly, is no issue of physical need, not at all. But a question of taste, and habit. Both can be changed.

People hate changing themselves. Not doing so for many is a matter of principle. Usually only pain and medical problems make them rethink former habits.

In the end, it again comes down to my former statement: if people would know by having seen it with their own eyes what is happening inside these factories, many would skip meat from their dining card alltogether immediately. That'S why I would make it mandatory that every school class of 16 year old an above once during school career must move through one of these factories. It also would be a very substantial measure of pro-environmental-protection education, and it does not need many lessons! Needless to say that there is a very huge and powerful meat lobby. there is a reason why all slaughtering factories and chicken mass cages don'T know the English word) get so totally and systemtically shielded and hidden from the public. They do not want people to see. It's better they only see the clinically clean 250 gr package of rosy bloodless meat covered by cellophane. It's so nice and tidy and harmless-looking.

All this in other words: if you cannot will to kill and do the bloody work with your very own hands, then you should not eat meat. Many people only eat meat just becasue they are spared fromt he dirty stuff taking place before the steak lands on their table, in that nice and good-looking arrangement with potatoes, vegetables and maybe a tasty sauce.

04-03-10, 04:08 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,663 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	1. If staff works under time pressure, they make mistakes. You cannot avid it. A recent docu snippet on , just days ago, mentioned that 1% amongst pigs. And that is not referring to any special factory, Aramike. You cannot avoid it. 2. If you are exposed 6 hours a day to such things, you get desensitized, too. Everybody would. This is also a thing you cannot avoid. 3. There are alternatives to a diat heavy with meat. Healthy alternatives. It simply is not true that you cannot eat healthy without heaving your daily dose of "fresh bloody meat". I am not on a crusade, Aramike, I eased my earlier vegetarian lifestyle like I described - but I avoid buying factory meat in the supermarket or at regular slaughterers, but buy almost directly sat the source. Also, I eat meat rarely only. Admitted, that way it is not cheap. But there is a reason why supermarkets offer meat so cheap. That reason is careless industrial mass production - and that kind of production has no room for wasting time with too caring sensibilities regarding animals. And we know today that that kind of meat production also has drastic envrionmental costs (and I am not talking about methane, but ressources consummed, water for example). Whereever you have slaughtering factories, you must assume that regular horrifying events like described above, take place, and never will be avoided. Becasue the number of animals moving through these hells per day, range in the many hundreds and thousands. 4. The human body does not hunger for meat explicitly, we are no canrivores, but omnivores. If vegetarian food in sufficient diversity is available, we can löive by that all alone excluisvely, and healthy. But it is time and cost-intensive to do so and needs a lot of knowledge. Better is vegetarian diat coupled with accepting anmila produced products like milk, cheese, eggs. Note that industrial mass prodcution of eggs with chicken in huge factory cages currently gets banned in europe, it is already forbidden in Germany, I think. And that is good. the interest of the suffering and tortured creature weighs heavier than the profit interest of the producer - in this context I would say that is an ethical imperative. 5. Also note that I said I buy at a local farmer show becasue the slaughtering there is done outside industrial meat factories. The cattle neither suffers a long, stressful transportation, nor does it enter one of these hell factories. No such factories. Meat production getting reduced massively. Cattle beign slaughtered at location and for local demand only. That'S what I argue for. I am no ideologic crusader wanting to ban eating of meat alltogether, but after having been on both sides of the fence I made a reasonable compromise with a very much redcued coinsummation level of meat, and taking care of where I get it from. I encourage everybody to do like me. It works well for me. Eating plenty of meat, reguarly, is no issue of physical need, not at all. But a question of taste, and habit. Both can be changed. People hate changing themselves. Not doing so for many is a matter of principle. Usually only pain and medical problems make them rethink former habits. In the end, it again comes down to my former statement: if people would know by having seen it with their own eyes what is happening inside these factories, many would skip meat from their dining card alltogether immediately. That'S why I would make it mandatory that every school class of 16 year old an above once during school career must move through one of these factories. It also would be a very substantial measure of pro-environmental-protection education, and it does not need many lessons! Needless to say that there is a very huge and powerful meat lobby. there is a reason why all slaughtering factories and chicken mass cages don'T know the English word) get so totally and systemtically shielded and hidden from the public. They do not want people to see. It's better they only see the clinically clean 250 gr package of rosy bloodless meat covered by cellophane. It's so nice and tidy and harmless-looking. All this in other words: if you cannot will to kill and do the bloody work with your very own hands, then you should not eat meat. Many people only eat meat just becasue they are spared fromt he dirty stuff taking place before the steak lands on their table, in that nice and good-looking arrangement with potatoes, vegetables and maybe a tasty sauce. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.