[Skybird]

Not only will a federal state europe not function ( we have seen moves towards it, and now have the lisbon treaty, but we see not less but more bad from it, and we do not see governments submitting to the spirit of it, but protecting their selfish motives). They are violating their own rules, and these rules already are bad. but they do not violate these bad rules for the better, but for the even worse effect. Like they for example violated the euro access criterions already at the very beginning to have a nice show of european solidarity. Stability, as demanded in the stability pact, already was not considered as important during the access talks with - Greece, for example. Or take the megalomania many eurocrats are driven by, candidates that already have been accepted into the EU although they did not meet the self-protective deamnd of the community that candidates should not become in order by joining the EU and haunting it with it'S problems (Romania, Bulgaria, the debate on Balkan states, Ukraine, Georgia, not to mention Marocco, Algeria, Israel, Turkey), but must be in order before they join an (assumed healthy) EU.

Nations in europe have already very different opinions on military and foreign policies. The EU foreign policy is not taken serious by anyone on the world, not even Obama. It also plays no role internationally, nowhre, it is just an operetta parade of narcissistic celebs in golden operetta uniforms with sounding operetta titles and ranks. - You see the spread in interests in Iraq and Afghanistan. Enforcing them to act in unity would mean that these differences continue - but then paralyse that united army of yours. In other words you get a big european army that is prone to corruption due to the big size of that body and the huge bureaucracy behind it - and that is unlikely to act because it is unable to act on a political level. you would need a centralised european tyranny instead of that european federal state of yours. and that kind of tyranny is what is encripted in the Lisbon dictate (though for different intentions than forming a european military).

Napoleon had that idea of a united europe, btw (though under french leadership). Look how the other nations reacted to the idea. the nations, as well as the people.

The Eu is both unable and unwilling to reform - too many special interests, too much sleaze, and lobbyism, too much neo-feudal narcissim of politicians: all this speaks against effective reforms. Enforcing Lisbon was a lecture in the EU's understanding of itself, and exclusion of the European people. The system is designed that its institutions and office-holders have and are allowed to have a strong interest in not letting this kind of change of yours happening. Lisbon, and the way it way enforced against the people by betrayal and cheating, is illustration for that. The Commission's demands overrule national parliaments, national constitutions already are overruled in that, the soverioegnity of the states, the parliaments already is being overruled by Brussel right now. why do you even go to national elections anymore? You're being betrayed. How should reform come from this, why should they even want it? The European High Court sees judges with short times in office and high wages being payed, they get called into office by nations' heads of governments. They can be re-elected, though. In order to get voted in a second time, these judges decide so that it pleases the heads' of governments, it is in the judges own interest to do so, to keep their profitable posts. What kind of trust would you put into such a court? It already has made so many hilarious rulings that are illustrating an excessive bias in favour of the EU.

Democratic reform? You can wait this and your next life for it, you will not see it taking place.

I wait for somethign different. I wait for it all collapsing, and then hoping that still enough time is left to build new. I supported the idea of the EU until twelve or fifteen years ago. Today I see the EU on the same level of cultural disaster like the arriving of Islam in Europe. Cleaning up the mess after WWII, and building new on the rubble, was relatively easy, compared to the cultural destruction implemented by the EU and Islam.

Yes, likely that Germany and France will continue to pay for Greece, the Germans are stupid enough to pay endlessly anyway, due to their bad conscience. The German worker will directly subsidize the corruption of the leading class in another country. Nice prospect. I do not think the stringer will save the weaker here, not endlessly. As I see it, the weaker will pull the stronger ones into the abyss along with themselves. the socialist tendency in many european states will help in that process, and speed it up even more.

If things go "well", Greece and Portugal, and most important: Spain will financially collapse, meaning the likely crash of the Euro (that'S what makes the finaicao collpase of thse countries nevertheless a good thing, though a thing introduced by a prelude of terror). This I would welcome for only one reason: a collapsing euro would be an event of a scale and "penetrating power" that it could deliver a really destructive blow to this madness named EU. But going into that confrontation and time of collapse will be no joy ride. Neither will be the times afterwards, when we need to reorganise in the face of a smashing global competition. that risk we must accept. If the EU collapses, we have chances but also big risks to face. If we stay with the EU, we have no chance, and the risk of tyrany becomes a certainty. So I chose the first option, no matter how small the chances are.

When you drove your car so deep into the mud that only the tip of the roof antenna still is visible, you hardly can expect to get it out of there without making yourself dirty.

As the saying goes: better an end with terror, than terror without end.