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Originally Posted by DarkFish
Döner kebab, yum! 
But how tasteful their cuisine might be, I don't think either Israel or Turkey should join the EU. It's the European Union, and as you can see from the picture below neither Israel or (90% of) Turkey are part of Europe.
In the case any of the two should join the EU, IMO Turkey has got more rights because at least the Northwestern part of it is European. |
5% Would be closer to it I think, however, the main argument is the massive cultural difference between the West and the Orient, not geographical hairsplitting. Turkey's culture in very dominant parts violates basic Western conceptions that has been anchored in our constitutional orders as well as our philosophic traditions and law systems, although we have started to loosen these ties.
Seen that way, Israel is - culturally - many times closer to us, than Turkey, and the similiarities between it'S state structure and legislation and that of EU states are much greater than between European states and Turkey.
And a state like Turkey:
that is so secular that it runs a state-driven religion-ministry,
that inteferes with the internal politics of other foreign nations and does not hide that it uses demographic pressure for trying to turn them over and bring them under Turkish influence
(former turkish president Demirel once told former German chancellor Schmidt that he demands Germany to take 15 million Turks, and that Turkey will
produce these legions of colonists and that Germany
gefälligst has to let them in,
while Erdogan two years ago on a visit in Germany told Turkish colonists that they should actively refuse integration, that demanding them to integrate would be equal a crime against humanity),
this Turkey
whose government and political leaders just months ago have declared to the world that the genocides and massacres committed by Muslims in Sudan and Darfhur,
and the nuclear conspiracies of Syria
cannot be any wrongdoing, because these countires are Islamic countries and thus they are unable to ever do any wrong;
this Turkey where the fundamentalists have taken over government and enforced Islamic rules in the state's services and education systems again, resulting in orthodox hardliners and fundamentalistic lobbies increasingly taking over keyposts, with women quotas in jobs and public offices having seen a massive drop since Erdogan took over -
this Turkey should be handled with greater care than barrels with radioactive waste.