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Although I Understand that posting/Replying this subject here is offtopic
and probably deserves its own seperate thread but would now be pointless
as I am very happy to hear that sh5 is changing course back to U-boat waters..

However,

you probably unaweringly pressed the big red button that says NEVER TOUCH
so I will try to act civil on this matter and not completely flame out in my response.

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

SH4 pissing you off because it didn't have the Atlantic War is the same as Fanta pissing you off because it doesn't taste like Cola.

They were different games completely.

If the last version pissed you off at least you didn't have to gamble, it had fleet boats on the box cover.

K, I think I speak for many when I say that when I yanked the sh4 box
off the shelf in the store at first glance the words Silent Hunter
& Wolves sticks out more then a image of a battleship to us sh2 & sh3
fans & what we where expecting to see from previous versions..
Just because there is an image of a battleship on the cover doesn't mean
we all know whats in the game until we play it

unless you have one of these--V


And so like me and probably 9/10 saw the box Silent hunter and Assumed
what we where purchasing was a better graphical/effects/Features/Game Engine Enhancement
to the previous SH3 ...@ the time.

So after the fact that we all had to open the box to see what's inside
which of course you can't return in the retail world once opened hence: (the GAMBLE)

After playing it for 5 mins or so it then became apparently clear to many of us old timers
stuck in our old ways that Ubisoft had changed course in a wrong direction so to speak
just so they could tap into the overwhelmingly popular pacific gaming market with the release of sh4
Without any consideration to the previously unaware U-boat fans/consumers/customers.

why many of us where so upset remains the facts that:

1) they didn't even include the german campaign as an option in the retail release
and made us U-boot fanatics wait even longer for what considerably seemed just a poorly made Mod that we then had to pay for called U-boat missions..

2) At first glance finally the much anticipated release of the u-boat missions
was a sigh of releif in which only ended up disappointing most @ what
seemed 2b a rushed to the market mod not really worth buying.

To make things worse the uboat missions box copy only had 2 U-boat types to choose & of those 2 not even the infamous VIIB/VIIC which in my (opinion) is the subs you think of
when hearing the words silent hunter so not much effort past that was even noticed
before it was uninstalled only to start collecting dust on my shelf that is until GWX
announced a mod for sh4 then got re-excited.. then they called it quits..
....disapointment ((Again)) so thank GOD for Monsun mod which gave us something
worth playing in.

3) even those who tried the retail copy noticed the entire map past the
pacific as far as ports/traffic where non existent so you could sail to
england or germany and nothing was there but void thus killing the entire
reality of the great naval war experience as far as I was concerned.

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

We have people here who won't touch SH5 because it doesn't feature American boats.

maybe they should go play one of the other 2 million pacific games available on the shelves?

perhaps keep the pacific as an optional mod not the other way around?

Include all playable countrys covering all aspects of the war as optional campaigns in one big world at war?

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

None of us has tested SH5. If anyone received a beta copy, you can bet they aren't allowed to talk about it. I wish I was one of them.

Agree. Excluding the public until release is just a bad decision in that the public could help find or work out bugs along with feedback FOR FREE.

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

As far as campaigns go, what we know so far is that:
1. You play on the Axis Side (German, to be more precise).
2. You wage war in the Atlantic and the Mediteranean Sea.
3. The campaign is much more dynamic and your actions have a much greater impact.

I asumed from the preview image and get your copy direct to drive here link at the top of the forums meant some of you already have seen previews.
anyways this is all good news to me & them in that I guess they will get some money from my pocket book.

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

As for "classic uboat players", the game did endeavor in a new direction. It might piss some off,

I would expect some new changes that may upset some yes but little things can be moded to our indevidual likings provided all those who have access to the source code & others with experience picked up who can inspire/teach others dont suddenly retire.

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

but it might also make us forget about previous titles.

I doubt we will ever forget about previos titles I am still playing sh3-GWX
and monsun & god bless the mod makers for all their complex work for
twisting creativity & being able to do what I couldn't figure out myself.