[Skybird]

Tell me Letum, on a scale from 1 to 10, how offending is it to you if almost naked people next to you conduct obsceneties and sexually provocative actions - in a cultural environment where nudity and sexual practice still are banned to the private sphere and could - and do - violate other people's feelings and shame?

I am by far no sexually inhibited person, but I think the modern society is totally over-saturated with sexual overkill stimuli both from the media and social rules of conduct being pushed beyond limits. And not only does it kill my nerves, but I also see it doing damage.

Again, no problem with normal gays - and as I said in earlier threads, I know from gays themselves that they hate these "freaks on parade" themselves. Most gays do not wish to be asscoated with the freak show CSD has turned into. People making their sexuality a public business and think they must violate public consensual rules by forcing others needing to witness their naughtiness and call that a test of "tolerance" - these are a problem. Not to me in special, but to your society in general.

Identity does not get defined by unlimited tolerance for all and everything, Letum. Tolerance needs limits. My limits regarding sexuality for example are met when considering scenes from CSD, or a domina in black leather leading a man on the line lkike a dog - in public, or a camera team in a quick action shoots a porno under a public bridge - or gays and lesbians thinking they must kiss and touch half naked on parading trucks becasue they think they must act their secual orientatiton in public demonstration . That may be okay in other, natural cultures, or during an orgy, but it is not okay in our cltural public context. And that is where the normal people, gay or not, get separated from the freaks who hijack the public to make it a part of their mating habits.

Unlimited freedom you can only get by total rejection of any communal identity alltogether - and that is anarchy. You cannot violate social values and and communal rules and puszh them to the limits forever, and think that this would keep the identity feeling of the community intact.

With nudity and sexuality, it is quite much like with relgion. It is your oprivate thing, keep it in your pirvatesphere where you can do whatever you want. where you demand the public to accept special recognition for your belief or sexuality, you are no longer relgious or privbate, but become political. And then it is when religion and sexuality of the few become a nuisance, a problem, a threat for all.

what it comes down to, in plain English, is this: if people are around or could turn around the corner any moment, keep your buttocks where they belong: in your trousers, covered, and don't make such a big deal of your sexual preferences and practices. That simple it is, Letum. If you can't see that - bad for you.

Read my sig. If you haven't noticed it, it is fully valid in the context of this thread's object, too. If you don't believe that, try to criticise a gay rights march in a public media - and see how very intolerant the PC brigade and those being criticised all of a sudden can become. The acceptance of almost totalitarian rules to enforce your withdrawing from your opinion often is not far away then.