[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by gutted

we're fighting wars BECAUSE of 9/11. Had that event not taken place, it would be a different story.

In Afghanistan, where the people who did the bombings were located, that's applicable. Iraq on the otherhand was and still is just a farce as far as the United States' military exploits are concerned and it will live on as one for decades if not centuries to come.

Originally Posted by gutted

many idiots the world over despise bush, but he didn't start this whole mess. Radical Islam did.

Again, while that can be applied to Afghanistan, radical Islam never has been a problem in Iraq- because Saddam wouldn't tolerate these people. He knew their destructive capabilities, so he kept them out. When we invaded and toppled him, there was no way to keep them from flowing in. And now Iraq is in the state it's in because of our interference for less than valid reasons.

Originally Posted by gutted

thankfully, bush WAS in office then.. because if that idiot Al Gore was.. who knows wtf would have happened. He prolly would have blamed it on global warming.. or they may have attacked again due to a weak response on our part.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not on that last part.

Originally Posted by gutted

It's easy to blame bush, but bush held the roof down. He had principles and was rigid. you knew what you were getting, and he was the right man for that job.

Lol, "held the roof down". Why is it that all this tension in the Middle East didn't explode like it has now until we invaded Iraq? That did nothing but boil the pot over, and it wasn't even for a valid reason that we entered. God only knows how many ordinary people died; who knows how many children. Bush only knew the number of soldiers because he had people to count the casualties for him; 6,000 of our soldiers alone killed, 35,000 wounded- and that's not even counting Coalition numbers. The Opinion Research Business surveys conducted suggest numbers for total dead (civilian, military, insurgent) a number between 733,150 to 1,446,000.

Nothing short of a condoned, senseless slaughter.

Originally Posted by gutted

This amature we have now? pffft. dont even get me started on that tele-prompting arse kissing puppet.

Lol, he hasn't even been in office a year and already the right attacks him like he's been there two terms already. Look, Bush had 8 years to fix our problems. And while he's not to blame for causing all the ones we're currently facing, he certainly didn't do a lot to prevent the ones we're still having to contend with which began under his administration. Iraq aside, he failed to provide any kind of oversight into the flimsy mortgage-backed securities market (which is part of the reason why we find ourselves in this current economic mess, his legislative actions allowed the NSA to perform warrantless surveillance of people they considered "suspects of enemy support", the country's deficit ballooned under his administration, the No Child Left Behind act ultimately did nothing but cost us millions of dollars and teach our children how to take tests (and not how to memorize and apply what they learned to everyday life), his response to the effects of Katrina were not only incompetent but also outrageously ineffective in the end, and the whole Guantanamo Bay affair will more than likely leave him (and rightfully so) as one of the worst presidents in this country's history.

I will admit though that his work with AIDS in Africa is quite commendable, and he should be recognized more for it (that applies to you, Meo). And it is also true that his establishment of the Department of Homeland Security did a lot to help prevent further terrorist attacks. He's not THE worst president, but the large number of failings he had as president certainly don't assuage the small number of successes. If anyone, Warren G. Harding was the worst for letting the treasury fall apart like it did. Then Hoover and Roosevelt were stuck with his mess.

Originally Posted by gutted

in 2012.. any party OTHER than democrat will be a godsend to the nonsense we're putting up with right now. It's a liberal circle jerk right now. I'm registered as Independant.. and the way i feel right now the republicans could put donald duck on the stand and i'd vote for him just to put an end to this lunacy.

Well you certainly don't lean as an Independent. Nothing but good things to say about Bush and nothing but bad things to say about Obama. I'm a member of the Social Democrat Party, but take notice the only times I ever bother to jump on Bush is when people outlandishly claim he was nothing but a great president who had no failings whatsoever. I don't call him the worst, and I don't call Obama the best. Somebody better will always come along.

Originally Posted by gutted

p.s. Why do Non Americans feel they have a right to bash political parties in our country?

Because we have something called freedom of speech and they're entitled to it as much as any other person, no matter what you or anyone else thinks.

Originally Posted by gutted

Do you think i really care what party is currently in power in say.. Canada? Or better yet... do i even know what parties exist in canada? Because i honestly dont..... nor care. Because it doesn't apply to me.

Your words say one thing, your actions speak volumes of another. To even acknowledge these people even though you scrutinize them shows you care to some extent; your better move would have been to simply ignore them and not even pay attention to them. Not that it makes this kind of attitude any less stupid, because parties in power in Canada effect the politics of the world. You'd be wise, as a result, to pay attention more to them.