[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Torpex752

My thoughts are this....The "leaders" of nations and bussiness while not technical experts had within their reach experts who could have at any time been asked to provide simple (plain language) data regarding the effects of production and operations. To deny the fact that these leaders of goverment or Industries knew or deliberately ignored the effects of their operations, one is missing (IMHO) a key issue. Responsibility.

In effect, if one were to place responsibility on this issue, if it could be conclusively proven to be human induced, I believe it lies with the producers, not the consumers. Yet, the consumers are in essence blamed for this because we consumed oil, gasoline, products, etc..Yet our "profits" in this case were not financial but functional. Some say dont look for blame, but is not taxation just another way of placing accountability on someone? For even if this Treasonous Treaty did only levy fines and taxes on the producers would it not ultimately land on the backs of those who use the products?

So what is this meeting? The same people (or their representatives) who caused a problem (directly or indirectly) are now proposing the solution. I'd call that a conflict of interest, and unacceptable.

Solutions can only be found in the truth derived from concrete facts, until that time comes its all a scheme to redistribute wealth shrouded in the cover of "save the world" and IMHO, nothing more. Not saying that Climate Change isnt happening, just on the fence about the whole, "its mankinds fault and now you all must pay" line I dont buy and who it is thats spouting it.

The coming global climate change has been reported at least since 1975, in this Newsweek cover story, and it was really urgent then that we take corrective action before it was too late. Somehow...somehow we have managed to survive another 35 years...but still, I'm concerned.

There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now (emphasis added). The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather.

See? Oh, wait, what?

The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.

Cooling down? Oh, maybe the scientists were wrong then.