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Old 12-06-09, 10:55 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by Schroeder View Post
I would be way more willing to believe in what you say if you were finally telling people where you get your info from.
Good luck while waiting. Some of us are waiting for that since last summer when he was very pressingly asked by me and one or two others more to reveal his qualifications. He said he must not, and eggdanced around mysterious implications that it would be wise if we just assume that qualification does exist. I only say to that that much of the stuff he claimed and said is rightout wrong, and reveals a stellar lack of background knowledge, else he would not fall for just superficial points so often that he does not and cannot put into context, nevertheless blowing them up in size and meaning. I see him as a troll, and I just recommend to stop paying attention to him.

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If you want me to believe you more than Skybird maybe you should start to point to your sources.
Hell, you should not just believe me or anyone else. Form an educated opinion yourself by reading some basic works on your own. You must not read as excessively as I did, but you are German, I can recommend you two or three German books by Raddatz that I have recommended before, since he is both very thorough and insightful, and also very precise in giving his links and sources in Islamic scripture and it's context. that is a good and solid base to found your own opinion on. I certainly do not wish that you just believe me something because I say so.

http://www.amazon.de/Von-Gott-Allah-...114712&sr=8-11

http://www.amazon.de/Allah-Terror-Dj...d_bxgy_b_img_c

This is some of the best summarising literature on Islam that I know of both in German and English language, and it compares direcly to the Christian church as well. Not too easy to read, I admit, but of very high standard, and extremely well-founded.

Raddatz, amongst other, is an academically trained "Orientalist" and was close personal student of some of the best qualified Franco-German authorities for the academical research on Islam. IMO he has surpassed them.

If you want to read the Quran, be advised that that only makes sense with plenty of secondary literature accompanying that, else too much important details and background will escape your attention necessarily. It's a bit - complicated, and more difficult than to read the New Testament, for example. It already starts with controversial translation issues. I recommend to start with summarising literature on the general case of Islam that is qualified to stand the test of academic standards. there is much amateur work out there that illustrates the author is thinking that it already is good enough to just have good intentions regarding the integration of islam, and that wish would make a good book, but these works most often are incredibly wishful, and shallow. Many others have a very PC bias.
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