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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring
Yea well, why did Stalin send Ukrainian etc. troops unsuited to winter warfare in summer gear in a suicidal frontal march which wasn't even an attack. Usually when attacking there should be a 10/1 superiority in numbers, given those odds the results weren't that amazing.
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Most of those troops where from northern parts of Russia and equipped accordingly, some even from Siberia. For exsample the Dolin ski brigade that was complitely annihilated.
I think 1/3 is a more common ratio mentioned in attack, wich the russian exceeded in most places. They had the 1/10 ration and even more in most weapons. Like with circa 7000 tanks and 4000 airplanes still in the end of the war against Finland.
It really makes you rather pathetic when you say, "given those odds the results weren't that amazing".
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On 11/30/1939 These forces were in the Leningrad Military District:
14th Army- based at Murmansk/Kandalaksha (hqs from 33rd RC)
14th, 52nd Rifle, and 104th Mt. Rifle Divisions
9th Army- 47th RC- 122nd, 163rd Rifle Divisions
Special RC- 54th Mt. Rifle Division
8th Army- 1st RC- 139th, 155th Rifle Divisions
56th RC- 18th, 56th, 168th Rifle Divisions
In Reserve- 75th Rifle Division
7th Army- 50th RC- 90th, 142nd Rifle Divisions
35th Tank Brigade
19th RC- 24th, 43rd, 70th Rifle Divisions
40th Tank Brigade
10th TC- 1st, 13th Tank Brigades
15th Mot. Rifle Brigade
In Reserve- 49th, 123rd, 138th, 150th Rifle Divisions
20th Tank Brigade
Other Forces in LMD- 65th RC- on Estonian border Narva/Pskov
11th, 16th Rifle Divisions
88th Rifle Division- at Arkhangelsk
These are the Divisions that came for the War, from other MD's
52nd RD- from Belorussian MD
122nd RD- from Belorussian MD
163rd RD- from Moscow MD
139th RD- from Belorussia MD
155th RD- from Kalinin MD
138th RD- from Kiev MD
150th RD- from Belorussia MD
Not yet mentioned the 44th RD is on it's way from Kiev MD
Also these Divisions had just been created in the Fall of 1939
88th RD- in Leningrad MD
104th Mt. RD- in Leningrad MD
168th RD- in Leningrad MD
123rd RD- in Kalinin MD, and just moved to LMD
142nd RD- in Kalinin MD, and just moved to LMD
RKKA divisions added during the Winter War.
During 12/1939- 136th Rd. from Moscow MD
4th Rd. from Byelorussian MD
164th Rd. from Kalinin MD
34th Tank Br.
10th Rifle Corps HQs from Byelorussian MD
13th Army HQs from Leningrad MD
47th, 49th, 116th, 136th, 311th Artillery Rgts.
During 1/1940- 84th Mot. Rd. from Moscow MD
113th Rd. from Byelorussian MD
80th Rd. from Kiev MD
62nd Rd. from Kiev MD
50th Rd. from Byelorussian MD
17th Mot. Rd. from Moscow MD
8th Rd. from Byelorussian MD
60th Rd. from Kiev MD
11th Rd. from Leningrad MD
168th, 375th, 495th Artillery Rgts.
8th Rifle Corps HQs from Odessa MD
15th Rifle Corps HQs from Kiev MD
23rd Rifle Corps HQs from Byelorussian MD
28th Cavalry Rgt.
During 2/1940- 95th Mot. Rd. from Odessa MD
7th Rd. from Kiev MD
51st Rd. from Odessa MD
86th Mot. Rd. from Volga MD
42nd Mot. Rd. from Leningrad MD
173rd Rd. from Volga MD
25th Mot/Cavalry Division from Leningrad MD
37th Mot. Rd. from Siberian MD
87th Rd. from Kiev MD
97th Rd. from Kiev MD
128th Rd. from Ural MD
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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring
And once the interim peace was achieved why did the Finns start the Continuation war with the general intent of prolonging World War 2.
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1941 the attacker was still USSR and the general intent of Finland was to get back what was stolen.
It was USSR that started the WW2 with the general intent to invade Europe and the world.