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Originally Posted by Skybird
and to answer your question, yes, I knew and knwo Muslim people. And some where like you described. Others were of the like I - and others - attack them for. Most living in the West, however, form a silent, never caring majority that is sticking to itself and isolates itself as best as it can, and that is not just my subjective imoression and personal experience, but that is data from various sociological reasearches on these matters, the latest in Germany has been published just ten days ago. All this is not a very constructive way to try integrating oneself into a new living place one has moved to.
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Sure, but the same can be said for half the imigrants in western countries.
they like to keep them selves to them selves. Why? because they want to accociate with people who have the same things in common, same veiws and beliefs etc. isnt that human nature?
Hell here we like drinking in the Pub, muslim friends will come, but they cannot drink alchahol - so its not the same for them. Granted its there choice, but they always feel more comfortable meeing in coffee shops and cafes etc.
So What do you do as a nation? In the Britain we have become a bit hypocrital in our attitudes.
On the one hand we have always said to them, "you can come here an be free to practice you beliefs & culture.
Then post 9/11 - that turns into: actually, you have to intergrate in to our society and adopt british values....
Come on... You can have it one way or the other not both.
Way too much public and media hysteria over terrorism. then we start waving out flags, like bunch of brainlwashed patriotic zombies... (little different from the terrorists themselves in my eyes)
then we start giving up civil liberties to our govenments in exchange for more security,
We Lose many poor young souls from our armed services and spend billions of $$ / £ on two wars, that have done little other increased hatred toward the West... hence increasing the chances of terrorism.
Have the terrorist won? Not exactly no...., but they sure have done a pretty damn good job in screwing us over, we are not as 'free' as we were in 2000 thats for sure...
I blame the terrorists 60% for carrying out the evil deed, but then I blame our selves 40% for our foolish reactions, we should know better, all of us.
I f**king give up on mankind sometimes I tell you.