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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
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Warhawk, please...
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So, this is Americas fault? Neal did not illustrate your point of "who cares". He only said it forms an opinion after reading page after page on warming/cooling or whatever it might be this week. I can show you page after page for cooling but a blind eye is on these pages as you are buying into this warming, the end of mankind and the world as we know it diatribe. Have you looked at articles concerning cooling? Articles on earth cycles?
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Yes, I have. and I found it often
- serious data taken out of context or not given in completeness;
- pseudo-scientific claims;
- manipulative in narrowing timespan of awareness to such short leveols that longterm conseqeunces got ignored;
- sources being dubious, to put it mildy;
- ignoring existing, maybe even existing-since-long explanations for let's say paradoxical effects (like for exaple the partial, local forkming of new ice in one part of the antarctic - what already in the late 70s or early 80s have been predicted in case of ice caps melting.
For these and other reasons I refuse to debate on whether there is a man-made sifgnificant climate change taking place or not. I cannot take this discussion serious anymore, like I also do not take serious a debate on how to compare the reasonability of evolution and that of creationism - as if it has any, or to compare ratio and religion - as if there is anything that could be compared. This kind of debate to me is just distracting, trying to buy time, to delay action and to protect the status quo that is quite profitable for the current establishment that is catching the cream from leaving things as they are.
We can talk on how to adapt to the already happening changes, now and in the future. we can talk on details of - yes, incomplete - climate models and their prediction span.
But we cannot talk on the issue of these changes taking place when I do not only read about it, but experience it in my own lifespan, with my very own senses, and media input by trend just confirms what I see, read and feel. That debate is pointless, and since quite some time now. It is a historic regression.
Tip of the day: the socalled Copenhagen Diagnosis has just been released. Hint-hint. It let's even the corrected (worstened) IPCC report look pale.