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karamazovnew · 11-21-09, 11:01 PM

I've just seen Enemy Below again (last time was back in the 80's). I've put it on my list of "I can't believe the Americans made this movie!" list, next to Fail-Safe, Young Lions and Thin Red Line (just because it came in the same year as Flying American Flag.. ups, I mean, Saving Private Ryan). But apart from trying desperately to make a good face for the German commander, I can't find too many good parts in it. Who the heck would surfa... oh, nvm, spoilers... It would be mean to compare it to Das Boot for the sub interiors or the special effects, but I remember many yelling that Jurgen's crew was too old. But how many 50 year old WW1 vets served on Type IXs?! And swearing the fat Goering for his superb plane cover sure sounded a bit more down to earth than crying for the good old days of WW1 when war was just and humane...

. So my list stays:
- Das Boot for the German side
- Cruel Sea for the brits
- RSRD for the American side
I'm still waiting to see a good one about Japanese subs (proper ones not manned torpedoes although Sea Without Exit is quite good).

I could count K-19 or even Hostile Waters, but in those movies you can't care about the sub parts because they show the unknowing (for the movie K-19 crew) and unwilling (K-219's Sergei Preminin) sacrifices of what have to be among the greatest heroes in history... damn... I lost my thoughts there for a few minutes. Just writing Sergei's name brings tears to my eyes.

PS: Sergei Preminin wouldn't have died if the door could've been opened. His achievement was heroic. His death was simply the definition of tragedy. The K-19 movie although very good at achieving the purpose of making the incident known, manages to rob the public of the true dimension of the heroism of it's crew. The real men knew very well that they were going to their deaths. Theirs was a true sacrifice. We owe these men more than our simple gratitude. We all owe them our lives. Although I despise the way in which masses express grief (I cringe when I see the Michael Jackson frenzy caused by his death), I feel that these men deserve to be better known.

11-21-09, 11:01 PM	#24
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	I've just seen Enemy Below again (last time was back in the 80's). I've put it on my list of "I can't believe the Americans made this movie!" list, next to Fail-Safe, Young Lions and Thin Red Line (just because it came in the same year as Flying American Flag.. ups, I mean, Saving Private Ryan). But apart from trying desperately to make a good face for the German commander, I can't find too many good parts in it. Who the heck would surfa... oh, nvm, spoilers... It would be mean to compare it to Das Boot for the sub interiors or the special effects, but I remember many yelling that Jurgen's crew was too old. But how many 50 year old WW1 vets served on Type IXs?! And swearing the fat Goering for his superb plane cover sure sounded a bit more down to earth than crying for the good old days of WW1 when war was just and humane... . So my list stays: - Das Boot for the German side - Cruel Sea for the brits - RSRD for the American side I'm still waiting to see a good one about Japanese subs (proper ones not manned torpedoes although Sea Without Exit is quite good). I could count K-19 or even Hostile Waters, but in those movies you can't care about the sub parts because they show the unknowing (for the movie K-19 crew) and unwilling (K-219's Sergei Preminin) sacrifices of what have to be among the greatest heroes in history... damn... I lost my thoughts there for a few minutes. Just writing Sergei's name brings tears to my eyes. PS: Sergei Preminin wouldn't have died if the door could've been opened. His achievement was heroic. His death was simply the definition of tragedy. The K-19 movie although very good at achieving the purpose of making the incident known, manages to rob the public of the true dimension of the heroism of it's crew. The real men knew very well that they were going to their deaths. Theirs was a true sacrifice. We owe these men more than our simple gratitude. We all owe them our lives. Although I despise the way in which masses express grief (I cringe when I see the Michael Jackson frenzy caused by his death), I feel that these men deserve to be better known. Last edited by karamazovnew; 11-22-09 at 02:03 AM.