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Originally Posted by August
You're forgetting that the US also fought in North Africa, Sicily, Salerno and up the boot of Italy long before the Normandy landings. You're also forgetting the huge air war over Germany and occupied Europe. I don't recall hearing about thousand plane SOVIET bombing missions against the nazi industry.
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No I'm not; it all adds up to a tiny fraction of the war between Germany and Russia. Kid yourself if you like but the facts speak for themselves: the US and all other western allies were bit players in the war against Germany.
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Originally Posted by August
AND lets not forget that while all this was going on the US was also involved in a titanic struggle in the Pacific against the Japanese.
Speaking of the Japanese. How well do you think Russia would have done if it had to fight them at the same time as Germany? A definite possibility if the US had never entered the war.
Stalingrad, considered by many to be the turning point in the European war, was finally won because the Soviets were able to strip their troops from the east and use them as reinforcements in the west. Without them the 6th Army might well have been victorious.
We can debate levels of contribution all day but bottom line here is that it was an ALLIED victory in WW2. Without any part the Axis just might have won.
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Fair points, although I think that describing the US vs Japan war as "titanic" might be a bit of an exaggeration from a certain perspective. Germany was the primary threat, and Russia was their primary foil. Those two nations lost each more lives in one battle than the US lost in the entire war. Your struggle against Japan was difficult and valiant but not, I think, the most significant victory. That belongs to Russia.