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Skybird · 10-28-09, 02:31 PM

The Soviet Union acted predictably, and was driven by her own kind of reason that the West could calculate and live with. Iran, on the othe rhand, sees many relgious fanatics being anything but reasonable. that is where your logic fails you, Goldorak. The model of the cold war USA-USSR cannot be applied to the situation with Iran. Iran does not operate by the same rational mechanisms like the USSR. Hysteric clerics do even less.

The most decisive difference between Christian and Islamic culture: an Islam martyrdom has a solid tradition, self-sacrifice is seen by Quran as a virtue and example worth to be followed. Therefore, Muslim armies in the medieval fought with inferior weapins and arms, but superior spirits an higher morale, because the Christian culture does not know this will to self-sacrifice, and is horrified by it. Different to them, it sees the protection of the individual life as the highest virtue, not suicidal martyrdom.

You cannot have a reasonable debate with soembody willing to become a martyr, for him, it is always all or nothing at all. You cannot trade, you cannot meet on basis of a compromise. When somebody tells you he wants it all from you even if it costs his life, then you cannot stop this person any different way than killing him. A treaty, a deal, a compromise will fail to attract him for long. Also, Quran rules that there shall be no treaties and cease fires with the infidels for longer than just one or two years, only if Islam is not in a position to pres son it is acceptable to have treaties with longer duration. In Islamic understanding, treaties with the infidels are not focussing on achcieving a balance and a lasting peace, but to buy time to restrengthen the forces of Islam until they are strong enough to strike again and then hoefully will overcome the infidel opposition. Thgis is something that often gets overseen or intentionally ignorred in the West. A status of peace is NEVER a status of peace in Islam, but only a temporary cease-fire used to prepare the next offensive.

Westerners and Christians usually do not want to see this. It killes some of their most precious illusions.

10-28-09, 02:31 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,632 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Soviet Union acted predictably, and was driven by her own kind of reason that the West could calculate and live with. Iran, on the othe rhand, sees many relgious fanatics being anything but reasonable. that is where your logic fails you, Goldorak. The model of the cold war USA-USSR cannot be applied to the situation with Iran. Iran does not operate by the same rational mechanisms like the USSR. Hysteric clerics do even less. The most decisive difference between Christian and Islamic culture: an Islam martyrdom has a solid tradition, self-sacrifice is seen by Quran as a virtue and example worth to be followed. Therefore, Muslim armies in the medieval fought with inferior weapins and arms, but superior spirits an higher morale, because the Christian culture does not know this will to self-sacrifice, and is horrified by it. Different to them, it sees the protection of the individual life as the highest virtue, not suicidal martyrdom. You cannot have a reasonable debate with soembody willing to become a martyr, for him, it is always all or nothing at all. You cannot trade, you cannot meet on basis of a compromise. When somebody tells you he wants it all from you even if it costs his life, then you cannot stop this person any different way than killing him. A treaty, a deal, a compromise will fail to attract him for long. Also, Quran rules that there shall be no treaties and cease fires with the infidels for longer than just one or two years, only if Islam is not in a position to pres son it is acceptable to have treaties with longer duration. In Islamic understanding, treaties with the infidels are not focussing on achcieving a balance and a lasting peace, but to buy time to restrengthen the forces of Islam until they are strong enough to strike again and then hoefully will overcome the infidel opposition. Thgis is something that often gets overseen or intentionally ignorred in the West. A status of peace is NEVER a status of peace in Islam, but only a temporary cease-fire used to prepare the next offensive. Westerners and Christians usually do not want to see this. It killes some of their most precious illusions. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.