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Old 10-19-09, 03:02 PM   #4
Freiwillige
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How could the Bismark scuttling herself be considered "Clawing out a victory"?

She was a floating wreck reduced to hull only as all of her superstructure had been blown away.

There is no doubt that the Bismark was beaten. Although one must contend that with the rudder jammed and her steaming in circles and unable to maneuver it was like fighting with one hand tied behind her back.

One can also contend that even know she was pummeled beyond recognition
she was still afloat.
No less than 6 torpedo's had been fired into her at the end of the battle not counting the two from the swordfish attacks that jammed her rudder.

This from the Net...


Almost two hours had elapsed since the battle had begun, and the Bismarck had shown a formidable capacity of resistance. The British first struck Bismarck at 0902, and ceased fire around 1016. For 74 minutes, the Bismarck received a continuous hammering that no other warship could have taken. We need not forget that the Hood sank six minutes after the first German shells were fired only three days earlier. Moreover, neither the main belt nor the armour deck were seen to be penetrated during the combat, and in the end it was her own crew who scuttled the ship. During this last engagement 2,876 shells were fired at the Bismarck. They are itemised as follows:
  • 380 of 40.6 cm from Rodney
    339 of 35.6 cm from King George V
    527 of 20.3 cm from Norfolk
    254 of 20.3 cm from Dorsetshire
    716 of 15.2 cm from Rodney
    660 of 13.3 cm from King George V

It will never be known how many of them did actually hit (400, 500, 600, maybe more), but taking into account the short distances in the last phase of the combat, it is assumed that many shells hit.
At 1100, only 20 minutes after the sinking, Winston Churchill informed the House of Commons gathered at Church House about the operations against Bismarck: "This morning shortly after day-break, the Bismarck virtually immobilized, without help, was attacked by British battleships that pursued her. I don't know the result of this action. It seems however, that Bismarck was not sunk by gunfire, and now will be sunk by torpedoes. It is believed that this is happening right now. Great as is our loss in the Hood, the Bismarck must be regarded as the most powerful enemy battleship, as she is the newest enemy battleship and the striking of her from the German Navy is a very definite simplification of the task of maintaining effective mastery of the Northern sea and maintenance of the Northern blockade." Mr. Churchill had just sat down when he was given a note, the Prime Minister rose again and said: "I have just received news that the Bismarck is sunk." The cheers were loud and long.

And as for the 35 feet of stern breaking off. I doubt that was poor construction as a 55 ton ship hitting the seabed would easily explain the stern breaking off.
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