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Originally Posted by Freiwillige
Well he was responsible for creating an environment that was to later become the United states of America. He brought the New world to European attention. And European the masses fought, conquered, explored and died to create this nation.
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Well, before they did that, they took care of the real owners and natives on the Caribean islands, in Central and Northern America, and South America as well. It continued with the Spanish and French powers ruling in the region in the later centuries, and creating social, economical, cultural and environmental conditions that in several places decisively influence the desolate outcome and the violence in desperate places like for example Haiti or better: the whole island of Hispaniola, until today. And when I saw a TV documentary on the nuclear test series on the Bikini atoll this evening, I realised that we still act like our ancestors did back then, if it serves our purposes, by the only justification of being the stronger one.
for the people originally living in these places, it would have been better if neither the Spanish nor anyone else ever would have arrived and the United States nor any other nation ever would have been founded there. Because the price for the changes to that new world were - genocides. Compared to that mass dying due to diseases and mass killing and mass torturing and mass enslaving throughout North and South America and the Caribean, the independence war and the civil war fade in quantitative horror.
Whether all the native civilisations would have survived until today if left to themnselves, is another question. We know that many managed to wipe out themselves, over suicidal economical reasons leading to cataclystic environmental conditions. Other local civilisations in northern america especially, managed to balance their birth rates and economic options versus the environment, and survived until the arrival of the Europeans, which equalled a meteor impact for them.