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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that because the insurance providers who are pretty much cleaning up with the current Medicare program are spending lots of money to ensure that popliticians either block legislation on reform or only approve "reform" that doesn't actually reform.

Again - a baseless accusation thrown out without fact to back it up. In fact - the whole statement is ludicrous - because PRIVATE INSURANCE companies don't make ANY money on medicare - medicare is administered by firms who deal direct between the government and the doctor - but they ain't INSURANCE firms. Medicare pays doctors for providing care - Medicare IS government insurance. Medicare doesn't pay insurance companys ya goof. The fraud is in the companies that administrate medicare, as well as hospitals and doctors that claim things never done. Neither has anything to do with the "BIG BAD EVIL INSURANCE COMPANIES".

Be careful - your ignorance is showing again.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Sorry you will have to remind me. Who are the people who are at meetings objecting to reform of Medicare? You know the "Keep the stinking government out of my medicare" sort of thing. If I am not mistaken thats some of the teabagging wingnuts isn't it.

Well you would be mistaken - but thats not a real suprise to most people. The people objecting to reform (and NOT just of Medicare - which you are intentionally mischaracterizing) are those that have taken the time to read some of the proposals. Something which many of the liberal legislators supporting "reform" have admitted they haven't done, using the fact that its to complicated for them to understand as an excuse.
So your logic is that having read something, researched it, and coming to an informed decision that such a proposal is bad for them personally, then choosing to tell the government representative their view, makes them a "teabagging wingnut". Well, here in the good ole USA, we call it exercising our rights and responsibilities as citizens entitled to self-governance - For the People, BY the People. Yes, I know that concept is hard to grasp - but its why we are truly the most free people in some way - in the world.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So what about the political parties. Which party has a good number of its politicians taking a stance that Medicare reform is simply not on the table at all?

Good question. You infer its the minority party. But yet again you leave innuendo out there - instead of facts. I haven't heard any legislator, on either side of the aisle - say that they are unwilling to look at reform of Medicare - or health care in general. Got a link, or should we again just chalk it up to you making things up?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Would that be winning on facts like calling policies nazi and communist at the same time as well as being unconstitutional and even traitorous and talking nonsense about death panels, euthenasia and illegal immigrants?

Again with the twisting. Someone brings a swastika sign (with a picture of the President on it) showing their personal comparison of how CONTROLLING government looks to be turning into - and somehow you generalize that to everyone who disagrees. As for "death panels" and the like - if it wasn't really there, how come that language that made people so concerned got stricken? After all - if it wasn't true - no need to remove it. Once again we see the pitiful attempts by the left to smear anyone who actual READS what is being proposed. Instead, leftists like you would rather us just shut up and accept whatever the liberals in power want to do, and our rights be damned. Again - its not happening, and its maddening to those who want to control everything, and can't. So go ahead, insult those who choose to be informed. It shows what the EXTREME left is all about. *I note extreme left, because some liberals actually are NOT whack jobs - just like some conservatives aren't. And some on both sides are. Unfortunately - its the wacko's that got elected, by sounding centrist.*

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thats funny as throughout the long discourse of the various healthcare topics people who object to any of the current proposed bills have displayed astounding levels of ignorance on the subject.

Ah yes - as compared to those so well informed politicians that support this reform but admit to not even reading it.

Liberal stance - "You have read the proposal - that means your ignorant. If you have no clue what it says, you are educated and nuanced."

That "logic" is what is astounding.