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Originally Posted by NFunky
This is true, but in Kilo you only have 18 weapons (including tube loaded) and if I'm expecting more than two targets even one UUV will take away an indespensible weapon.
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Yes, but a single UGST should be enough to sink the Daphne or the Agosta. And don't forget that uuv give you a tactical advantage, either when tracking a sub (since you don't have a towed array), and when you're evasive since at that point you will be completely deaf. With the uuv you can still make sure no torpedo is coming you way, and if yes you can pinpoint its location acurately by using the uuv active sonar. So the tradeoff between carrying 2 UGST and 1 UGST + uvv leans heavily versus the second option.
And if you have to attack 2 targets at the same time, use the UGST on one, and a non wireguided torpedo on the other. Kilos also carry subrocs don't they ? So use them they are quite usefull weapons.
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The scenario I built is pretty basic, but it's great fun to play with for practice. I have a Kilo Improved patroling about 20 nm from the Port of Karachi at about 4 kts. There are from one to three Daphne class subs and a very low probability Agosta generated at the beginning in a random box about 15 nm wide around the Kilo. All enemy subs are at different speeds and different depths and use 'random box' as tactic. I also threw in a few randomly generated merchants just for the hell of it.
The Kilo's sonar is so much weaker than all the other subs I've driven that even though the environmental conditions are just about as good as they can be (except for the bottom limited SSP) I can only pick up the a sub at about 10 nm if he is traveling at more than 5 kts. TMA is proving quite a bit harder without speed data. Especially since the subs always seem to be generated with a course that is more or less pointed right at me making the LOBs very close together.
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Yes the Kilo sonar is quite weak. On the other hand, merchants and other surface traffic should be tracked by using periscope and esm.
Since the Kilo only has 2 trackers, use them for sub contacts where the other sensors are useless. But don't do a tma of a surface vessel using sonar, it just complicates your work.
Also by using uuv, you can cut down on the tma process, because triangulation will give you the exact solution without having to estimate speed or go into several legs to obtain a firing solution. Oh and use those subrocs !!!