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Originally Posted by Cohaagen
I generally have a rule against posting in GT, because of the American political crankery, but I think you should clarify this, Skybird. I know of no weapon in the UK arsenal that could produce effects like this. White Phosphorous produces a white cloud, and Red Phosphorous - surprise - makes a red one. CN has been out of the inventory for a long time, and CS was only ever used by the army in Northern Ireland. This also produced a thin white mist. Besides, what proof do you have that the grenade was British in the first place?
Sounds suspiciously like the effects of CS gas, used by almost all police forces worldwide. Perhaps it's a case of them not enjoying the taste of their own medicine, what?
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I know not more than what that article in the german newspaper said, and they base it on a press confernece by the berlin police. There it is described as gas grenade from British arsenals that exuded a yellow cloud of gas that at first was ignored by the police, but then made officers loosing the ability to orient themselves, helplessly moving around without orientation, braking down and starting to vomit.
CS is different, i know from first hand experience
, both in effect, and in colour. CS effects you from the first seconds on after you got exposed to it, not with minutes of delay, and it is not yellow.
The grenade is not something being used by the Berlin police.
The berlin senate in under fire since long for it's incompoetent handling of violent events like this that from year to year become more brutal. Incompetent tactics orderd by incompetent politicians have made police officers being sent into the "fire" in small groups, making sure that most of the thugs escape unharmed, but every arrest got payed with several injured officers, since these small groups often got mauled. The last time it was a total deasaster with several hundred injured police officers (almost 500 of close to 3000 officers called to the streets)- far more than were arrested (less than 300, and only around 50 were kept to be brought to court). Most of the arrested were released within 48 hours again even with video captures of them throwing stones, vandalising, throwing molotow cocktails, damaging public and private property.
We are a very social state, with much caring for the future fate of those poor lost innocent souls. we should not damage their chance to become integrated well behaving socially valuable memebers of society in the coming years - by arresting them.
Better hope for the best when they start going amok again next 1st May night - becasue they enjoy the violence. It's is not much different than holliganism in Britain - you cannot explain it by social frustration or such educated guesses. It is enjoying the chaos and violence, it is archaic, almost animalistic instibncts of territorialism and tribal rites: "us" against "them". That simple. Causal triggers are not needed. I also do not need a trigger to pick up a piece of chocolate. I simply enjoy the taste of it for the very taste of it, and even do it when I already have had more than is reasonable. Period.
"Not enjoying a taste of their own medicine", you said. I tend to take that haughty anti-police comment a bit queer. the police does not start these nights of street war, but thugs coming from all over Germany to the knonw hotspots in Hamburhg and Berlin, on the known dates, for the only purpose to start trouble, causing violence and if possible trying to hurt officers, "pigs" as they are generally called by these thugs. It is violence tourism, and violence is it's only goal and intention.
A policeman's health and life is not worth much these days anymore. And it'S getting worse and worse. The inhibition levels to use lethal force are decreasing more and more ven amongst the youngest, and more and more often lethal weapons, knifes and firearms are found and confiscated at such events.
Some years ago, the boss of the police in New York was guest in Berlin, that was after he had brought down the crime rate very significantly by several factors, by a policy that even small crimes got hunted down uncompromised thta before got ignored since they were called "too minor". Germans listend, and ignored it completely. "Too tough", some politicians said, but "too expensive" was what all were thinking.
The police union is up in arms over the incident with the gas grenade. They rarely become that, and that means the story is considered as a very dangerous incident.