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magic452 · 09-15-09, 06:12 PM

Is it? tell that to those who belittled protesters under the last administration.
I though that I did just that. I didn't single out any particular protest.
I support that right regardless of the cause and those that belittle any of them are very small indeed.

If they oppose government bailouts where were they when Bush signed TARP?
TARP was passed by a Democratic congress and signed by a Republican president. It was a hastily drawn up bill that was implemented all wrong.
The original intent was to do something about toxic mortgages. That may have done some good but by the time the politicians got done it turned out to be a big business spending spree. Those that opposed it were written off as nut jobs. Nobody knew what was in the bill because it had to be passed yesterday and there was little if any oversight.

The same thing happened with the so call Stimulus Package, 780 billion and next to zero results. This was little more than a liberal spending spree doing next to nothing about fixing the failing economy. Some of aims of it are worthwhile but doing it on borrowed money is not very smart.

There was plenty of opposition to that as well but to no avail. This again was crammed down out throats by THIS administration saying that it too had to pass yesterday, yet the vast majority of the money wasn't to be spent for several years. Obama said so in speech just recently.

Why should we make the same mistake again on health care.
Those other mistakes will go away in time but a health care mistake will live forever, yet this administration wanted it passed last month so nobody would know what was in the bill. SOS different day.

If they oppose the federal government eroding rights and trampling the constitution where were they when the Patriot act was created?
A more important question is where were you??????

This president is probability the most liberal of all time and yet he has not seen it necessary to repeal the Patriot Act but instead has purposed increasing it to include the internet. May be now that he is in a position to see what is really going on he also sees a need for it.

If they are opposing government healthcare where were they when medicare went into place ?
Medicare in it's original form was a very good idea, to insure the health and well being of those who spent a lifetime building this country. It was to be a pay as you go insurance program that those who participated in, would benefit from. That is a far cry from what is purposed today. It is only the mismanagement of the program that has caused the problems we have today and that only re-enforce the idea we should not go down that path again.

If a government run heath insurance program, in any form, passes, anyone, any were in the world with a serious medical condition and a plane ticket will be able to receive 100% no limit health care with no questions asked. That isn't in the bill you and the president say. Maybe not but the ACLU and the Supreme Court will surely make it so. If you have any doubts about this you must be living in some sort of dream world.
What is in the bill now will not be what is in the program 4, 5 or 10 years from now.

Our wonderful speaker of the house stated recently that the program would be paid for in part by cutting out waste and abuse. What a crock,
Health insurance for 300,000,000 people will be such a massive program that no entity in the world could administer efficiently, opening the flood gates to fraud and abuse. The total cost of this will be staggering.

Maybe TARP, Medicare and the others were mistakes, I don't think they ALL were, but many do. That is their right and I will defend that right and not call them names.

If there was no protest to them than, that does not preclude protest now.
Previous mistakes do not mean that we should make yet another one.

Where were they then? Doesn't matter! Where they are now and what they are doing now does.

Many people are fed up with BIG government running every aspect of their lives and are speaking out. They don't want more.

Just my $1.02 worth

Magic

09-15-09, 06:12 PM	#30
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Is it? tell that to those who belittled protesters under the last administration. I though that I did just that. I didn't single out any particular protest. I support that right regardless of the cause and those that belittle any of them are very small indeed. If they oppose government bailouts where were they when Bush signed TARP? TARP was passed by a Democratic congress and signed by a Republican president. It was a hastily drawn up bill that was implemented all wrong. The original intent was to do something about toxic mortgages. That may have done some good but by the time the politicians got done it turned out to be a big business spending spree. Those that opposed it were written off as nut jobs. Nobody knew what was in the bill because it had to be passed yesterday and there was little if any oversight. The same thing happened with the so call Stimulus Package, 780 billion and next to zero results. This was little more than a liberal spending spree doing next to nothing about fixing the failing economy. Some of aims of it are worthwhile but doing it on borrowed money is not very smart. There was plenty of opposition to that as well but to no avail. This again was crammed down out throats by THIS administration saying that it too had to pass yesterday, yet the vast majority of the money wasn't to be spent for several years. Obama said so in speech just recently. Why should we make the same mistake again on health care. Those other mistakes will go away in time but a health care mistake will live forever, yet this administration wanted it passed last month so nobody would know what was in the bill. SOS different day. If they oppose the federal government eroding rights and trampling the constitution where were they when the Patriot act was created? A more important question is where were you?????? This president is probability the most liberal of all time and yet he has not seen it necessary to repeal the Patriot Act but instead has purposed increasing it to include the internet. May be now that he is in a position to see what is really going on he also sees a need for it. If they are opposing government healthcare where were they when medicare went into place ? Medicare in it's original form was a very good idea, to insure the health and well being of those who spent a lifetime building this country. It was to be a pay as you go insurance program that those who participated in, would benefit from. That is a far cry from what is purposed today. It is only the mismanagement of the program that has caused the problems we have today and that only re-enforce the idea we should not go down that path again. If a government run heath insurance program, in any form, passes, anyone, any were in the world with a serious medical condition and a plane ticket will be able to receive 100% no limit health care with no questions asked. That isn't in the bill you and the president say. Maybe not but the ACLU and the Supreme Court will surely make it so. If you have any doubts about this you must be living in some sort of dream world. What is in the bill now will not be what is in the program 4, 5 or 10 years from now. Our wonderful speaker of the house stated recently that the program would be paid for in part by cutting out waste and abuse. What a crock, Health insurance for 300,000,000 people will be such a massive program that no entity in the world could administer efficiently, opening the flood gates to fraud and abuse. The total cost of this will be staggering. Maybe TARP, Medicare and the others were mistakes, I don't think they ALL were, but many do. That is their right and I will defend that right and not call them names. If there was no protest to them than, that does not preclude protest now. Previous mistakes do not mean that we should make yet another one. Where were they then? Doesn't matter! Where they are now and what they are doing now does. Many people are fed up with BIG government running every aspect of their lives and are speaking out. They don't want more. Just my $1.02 worth Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l Last edited by magic452; 09-15-09 at 06:41 PM.