[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah years later when it wasn't suicide to do so.

Yep.

Originally Posted by August

But nobody is pinning Chappaquiddick on Teddy for no reason either. We know he's responsible.

But to the extent where he's a "sociopath"? Please, stop being so overly dramatic.

Originally Posted by August

A better analogy would be knowing what Al Capone did but ignoring it because he gave money to the poor.

Chappaquiddick was hardly "ignored". It caused one of the biggest political controversies in the United States' history, let alone one of the more infamous scandals. Go to Google News and check their archives. You'll see just how many papers alone reported on it. And it's A LOT.

Furthermore, comparing Kennedy to Capone is very unrealistic as well, not to mention just as overly dramatic as your statement that Kennedy was a sociopath. Capone had dozens of people killed because of money issues and trust issues (among other things; he shot this Joe Howard chap because he called him a "dog pimp"); Kennedy got Kopechne killed from his own stupidity. Asides from the ratio differences, the reasons behind the ratios were also different. If you want to apply the term to anybody, then call Capone a sociopath- not Kennedy.

Originally Posted by August

So would I SH but Mary Jo didn't die from drowning. She suffocated. At least a couple hours trapped in a pocket of increasingly foul air, alone in the pitch black, terrified, waiting for a rescue that never came.

She drowned. Check Dr. Donald Mills' autopsy report again and Judge Bernard Brominski's exhumation ruling.

Originally Posted by August

It's not "whatever"

Nobody said it was. I was simply saying that I'm not going to argue about it anymore, because the only thing that matters to me is that she died. That's it.

Originally Posted by August

it's a nasty way to die, end of story.

Though she died by drowning, not suffocation.

Originally Posted by August

What the hell does this mean?

What the do you think it means? You know what forget it. It's not even important.

Originally Posted by August

Then tell your party to quit trying to make him into a saint.

Still haven't learned that a Social Democrat is not a member of the United States Congressional Democratic Party? Can't really say I'm surprised.

Originally Posted by August

The pomp and ceremony, burial at Arlington,

I've got no problem with these. It's customary to hold a remembrance service about the deceased, and since John and Robert are buried at Arlington, it's only fitting that he be buried there with them as well.

Originally Posted by August

naming bills after him,

I assume you object to all bills that have names in them, right? I mean, it's not just the Democrats and Ted, right?

Originally Posted by August

changing laws that he originally forced passage of because he doesn't trust the voter to make their own decisions?

"Doesn't trust the voter"? Well the correct form is "didn't", but that's not important. What is important is that, since you can make this claim, you've got some sort of evidence to back it with... right? I mean, you can prove that he didn't trust the voters. Right?

Furthermore, what laws? Name three. Just three.

Originally Posted by August

Your attempt to make this a Republican issue fails on so many levels it's just not funny.

It IS an issue for REPUBLICANS, just as it IS an issue for DEMOCRATS.

Originally Posted by August

As for the rest of his contributions to this country. Bah, the man was a senator for, what, 40 some odd years? Given that ridiculously long term of office the good is far and few between.

Here's SOME of the ones he helped to pass/contributed to:

Equal Rights Amendment in 1972
Civil Rights Act of 1964
Civil Rights Act of 1972
Civil Rights Act of 1991
Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988
Fair Pay Restoration Act
Voting Rights Act of 1965
Affirmative Action of 2003
Employment Non-Discrimination Act since 1994
Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act in 2007
Ryan White CARE Act
1994 Violence Against Women Act
Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990
National Military Child Care Act
State Children's Health Insurance Program
Affordable Health Care Act
Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978
Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act of 2000
Minority Health Improvement Act
Health Disparity Elimination Act
NIH Revitalization Act of 1993

I have to ask you, on the Matthew Shepard and Ryan White Acts... should we object to them because they have the names of people in them? Furthermore, how many bills should he have passed then? Just curious.