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It's not even close to the same ... not in principle, nor fact. But we could debate that all day.
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As you said, we
could debate it all day. But whatever.
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The question is, why bring it up?
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Because the thread diverged 4 pages ago before I got here and turned from a thread in remembrance of Ted into a Democrat vs. Republican/political slamfest.
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This thread was about Ted Kennedy, not Bush nor the Iraq War.
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I know. 'Course I- there again-- didn't derail it and turn it into a political thread to begin with.
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Then again I must ask, why bring Iraq up?
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Because it was a dumbass mistake made by Bush, just as it was a dumbass mistake to run from the scene of an accident like Kennedy did.
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There's a difference here: one is something that we ALL agree was absolutely wrong.
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Right and wrong are merely points of view, which differ from person to person. I was focusing on which person's stupid decision had more repercussions. I find it... odd to say the least that you could call Kennedy a sociopath with no problem for getting one person killed while you could completely skip Bush and the thousands of people he wound up getting killed in Iraq, hundreds of thousands if you count civilian casualties as a result of subsequent terrorist attacks there. Point being, both men caused someone to die with their stupid decisions... one killed more than the other, though.
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The Iraq War is debatable.
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And the Chappaquiddick Incident isn't?
It is...
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In fact, if you want to discuss it, please start a thread and I'll follow you in.
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I might, if the mods don't mind.
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I highly doubt you'll see a thread discussing whether or not Kennedy's behavior in the incident in question was justifiable.
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Well I certainly wouldn't make one to justify it; rather, to simply defend the stance that he was not a "sociopath". Not compared to some other American politicians anyway.
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However, I also haven't forgotten the national mood in the days leading up to the war, so I have some perspective.
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Years is more like it.
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The Iraq War was by and large supported ... people didn't NEED 9/11 to be shoved down their throats.
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But Bush shoved it down their throats anyway.
More importantly, though, what "facts" did they use to try and justify it? Wild allegations of WMDs, terrorist group support from Hussein, chemical warheads, if you did indeed pay attention then you heard all this stuff too.
Arguing on the basis of facts, did they ever confirm their allegations? Did they ever confirm that Hussein supported any terrorist groups directly involved in 9/11, had WMDs, chemical warheads. . .? They made a lot of claims, but they never did back them up with any evidence.
It was a stupid decision all the way around based on little more than half-assed claims and scare tactics.
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I'm not going to completely disagree with that.Independant. I have conservative views/I have liberal views. And they are subject to change.
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So a Heinz '57, lol. That's cool.
