[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Really? Made perfect sense, even though I didn't agree completely. But I understand what he said and his motivations for saying so.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. (Even though I actually do believe that you do understand it, but as a typical lefty you find your side to be "elite" and any other opinion must be labeled nonsensical garbage.)

First off, you don't know a thing about me. Second off, by no means do right wingers have a monopoly on stupidity. There are responsible Republicans who are rational. If they disagree with health care, bully for them. Only problem is, they seem to be a dying breed. Many Repubs today appear to be plunging to the bottom as fast as they can, to capitalize on the lowest common denominator with rhetoric similar to the BS this guy was spouting.

There is a perception in this country by many people that those who serve have earned the priviledge of speaking, whereas everyone else just excercises their right. I have no problem with that perspective as it honors the individuals who serve us all.

I do not accept that. Holding to that perception opens the door to the notion that the truth value of speech rests more on who is speaking than on what is being said, which this guy took advantage of.

I could say your point makes no sense, but it does and I disagree with it. I like to think of myself as intellectually honest. You should try it.

That's rich coming from you. Feigning incomprehension to try and score a cheap point is one of your favorite tricks. I don't use it, but I believe you cannot honestly say the same.

I see no mention of his constitutional oath crap. Do you accept it or not? Do I have permission to find it nonsensical?

Umm, you did know the context of that point wasn't education, right?

Oh, and maybe you don't get this, either (not a surprise): The Congressman is part of the FEDERAL government. Education is handled locally. The Marine was talking to the Congressman. Ergo, he was telling the Congressman to keep the federal government away from his children.

It's amazing what a little thinking can do for you. The thick irony here is that you lefties were so worked up over Bush's FEDERAL No Child Left Behind, but when a guy tells the feds to stay out of his children's lives, well that must be just some hill-billy, crazy-folk talk, right?

No @#$% Sherlock. Since when does being a member of the Federal government prevent you from talking generally about certain topics? As soon as it provides an opportunity to make political hay, I guess.

Again, you don't get something that is so incredibly obvious. He's pissed off because he doesn't feel that the federal government has any authority to "allow" us to have any rights! I agree with him, because if we start allowing the government to allow us to do certain things, we have then ceded the authority to them to DISALLOW certain things.

Quite franky, even I find it offensive when politicians say that they will "let" me do something.

It may be semantics

DING DING DING DING! It's all meaningless semantics, distorting the intention behind the original language to create a talking point. I'm reminded of another Marine, Zell Miller speaking at the 2004 Republican Convention, who got wild applause for criticizing Democrats for referring to the occupation of Iraq, rather than its liberation. It's that kind of pointless macho posturing BS, based on nothing but the distortion of words, that I'm going on about. The fact that this guy pulled that trick using language describing a part of the plan which he would be in favor of, made it even dumber.

but with the nationalization track record of liberals over the Obama presidency, why take the risk? Considering that only around 5% of the stimulus has actually be spent, and the economy is stabilizing, it seems as though Obama's massive spending plan has been either a failure, or a waste of 95% (which to me is also a failure).

Listen to what he actually says. He wasn't talking about the stimulus package, he was talking in part about the National SOCIALIST TAKEOVER OF THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY!1!!!1 Too bad the present day "takeover" began under Bush, and was initiated by die hard free marketers. But hey, what are facts to right wing nuts?

He did better than you've done in this entire post, and you have Google and the edit function to work with.

I beg to differ.

Also, note how I have nothing to comment on regarding his Nazi tirade. He may have just been making fun of the idiot Pelosi, but to be honest, I'm REALLY sick of hearing the Nazis come up EVERY freakin' time we have a contentious issue. But I can't help but wonder if you shared the same indignation when the left wing nuts were making similarly absurd accusations about Bush...

I thought the Bush-Hitler stuff was idiotic back then, just as I think the Obama-Hitler crap is stupid, thank you very much.

To sum it up: if you're against health care because you have reason to believe that it'll be too expensive, or that the government has the anti-Midas touch, or that collective action is inherently wrong, or that it's every American's god given right to have the opportunity to have their coverage dropped at the worst possible time, or that it's a good and righteous thing that the US pays far and away the most for health care as a percentage of GDP while receiving average care, with a sixth of the country having no care at all, then great, we can have a debate.

This guy didn't bother with actual reason, though. He just got up there with the same old BS rhetoric which we've heard for months, most of which doesn't even make sense as I've shown, and he got praised for it.

Apparently you feel that your points are so weak, you must buttress them with insults. I initially answered in kind, but then decided to remove them. I'm ending this conversation before you turn it into a flamewar.