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Old 08-24-09, 12:32 PM   #94
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It could, but it would be taking appeal to authority a bit far to claim that
the CIA are in an utterly unique position.
It would be except for the fact that they are.
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The issue of torture is certainly too complex, but the "if it didn't work it
wouldn't be used." argument is not.
Clearly, if taken by itself (which I specifically said in the last post). Yet when considered along with other axiomatic factors the argument becomes complex and your formula becomes useless in describing it.
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All that aside, I'm not sure that anyone who says the CIA is wrong has to
give a reason why they would make the mistake. The burden of proof isn't
on them to do so.
Anyone making a claim has a burden of proof. This isn't a negative claim of "no it doesn't happen" and therefore is unprovable. We know that something happens and that there is a verifiable result.

Your burden of proof argument (which you really should leave at the metaphysical door, by the way) doesn't apply in instances of measurable results. That would be like me saying that water doesn't freeze at 32F and putting the burden of proof on you to show that water DOES indeed freeze at 32F.
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