[Skybird]

Letum,

don't make this an abstract complication again. I denied that a demand for zero faults in a legal system is realistic and I said that any moral argument insisting that it should be that way (zero mistakes) is an unreal demand. We should try to minimise faults, without ever hoping to avoid them alltogether and without rejecting the reality we live in in an attempt to avoid situations where we could fail, eventually. Deciding we must, even if we must decide on two options we both do not like. Just saying "I cannot do that, I do not like both choices", is not good enough, and a society doing that is doomed to suffer paralysis. The interesting thing is what consequences we will to accept, and what consequences we do not will to accept - that difference determines the individual treshhold for what we accept in measures, and what not. Just demanding a zero tolerance for faults being made, is unrealsitic, and could only be accieved by refusing to adress reality as it is, and replacing it with unproductive mindgames only (like dreaming of an utopia where no faults take place by the very nature of things).

I also said that since you can judge a legal system only by it's general justice being achieved in summary of all it's individual cases, not by the one and single individual case that shows a fault, the deciding issue is the treshold at which you claim it to be a working system, or not.

How you assume by that that no effort should be undertaken in an attempt to minimise errors and faults in legal proceedings, is beyond me. >> In fact I warned against accepting too many wrong-goings too easy-mindedly. <<

I argued in favour of morals who are adressing the reality we have to deal with - not for morals fixiated on philosophic abstractions disconnected from realities (and by that easily doing more harm than good, like they have throughout history: many of the greatest crimes anc cruelties have been conducted in the name of totally disconnected morals, which especially includes formalised, institutionalised religions)).

We can wish as long as we want that the world just should not be the way it is, and just should be something different. But still we need to deal with the issues of the world as it is, no matter what we desire it to be. Thinking in absolutes therefore is not working well in 19 out of 20 cases - especially in the field of politics, as this forum has given evidence of time and again.

I need to leave now, I am currently staying with friends in Wismar, and we are about to launch for Berlin this evening, staying there over the coming week. I doubt I have time and opportunity to answer in the next days.