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Jungman · 07-24-05, 04:43 PM

Ok then it is good to speak here. I am testing with special hack files which shut off the enemy AI radar, visual, and sonars.

This helps me track it down. The airplanes have less visual time to see you Uboat flying so fast, the detect time is 15 seconds for a sweep.

It is almost a combination problem.

The airplanes are high up in air and do not suffer visual clutter as the DD do flat on the ocean.

But the opposite is true for the Radar. The DD are in detection range longer...vice versa for airplanes.

I think maybe the best way to go is maybe a small tweak to the Visual MinHeight from zero to maybe 0.5m. Or a tweak to the Surface detect from zero to a small value.

Plus a small nerf to the radar MinSurfaces. I tell you, the interplay of all this together is a most difficult task to balance out just right.
Change one value to help airplanes ruins DD, help the snorkel againts DD hurts airplanes too much.

Unless I can find where the surface data is stored for Snorkel and Periscope against radar and visual, then all I can do is a small tweak. It will not be most ideal...but generally it should stop super spotting using the snorkel most of the time, not always.

Another thing, the snorkel depth in a type VIIC boat is default 10m depth and in 5 m/s waves the boat itself is being seen in whole. When using the snorkel manually set your snorkel to just enough to break the waves and work. That helps alot, and needs to be done with this Mod. I use depth 11m with waves at 5 m/s.

That is not so bad considering how much trouble the real Uboat captains had with the snorkel in big waves and being spotted on the surface between radar/visual from 'airplane and DD combo'.

Update:
Just one last thought, maybe use the airplanes speed and time over target against itself. I could increase the time for a Visual detect. It will not affect you attack against merchant and Destroyer ships since you will spend all long time mostly compared to seconds or a few minutes for airplanes.

Thus a change to Visual detect time will hurt the airplanes much greater than Ships spotting you.

07-24-05, 04:43 PM	#88
Jungman Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 596 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok then it is good to speak here. I am testing with special hack files which shut off the enemy AI radar, visual, and sonars. This helps me track it down. The airplanes have less visual time to see you Uboat flying so fast, the detect time is 15 seconds for a sweep. It is almost a combination problem. The airplanes are high up in air and do not suffer visual clutter as the DD do flat on the ocean. But the opposite is true for the Radar. The DD are in detection range longer...vice versa for airplanes. I think maybe the best way to go is maybe a small tweak to the Visual MinHeight from zero to maybe 0.5m. Or a tweak to the Surface detect from zero to a small value. Plus a small nerf to the radar MinSurfaces. I tell you, the interplay of all this together is a most difficult task to balance out just right. Change one value to help airplanes ruins DD, help the snorkel againts DD hurts airplanes too much. Unless I can find where the surface data is stored for Snorkel and Periscope against radar and visual, then all I can do is a small tweak. It will not be most ideal...but generally it should stop super spotting using the snorkel most of the time, not always. Another thing, the snorkel depth in a type VIIC boat is default 10m depth and in 5 m/s waves the boat itself is being seen in whole. When using the snorkel manually set your snorkel to just enough to break the waves and work. That helps alot, and needs to be done with this Mod. I use depth 11m with waves at 5 m/s. That is not so bad considering how much trouble the real Uboat captains had with the snorkel in big waves and being spotted on the surface between radar/visual from 'airplane and DD combo'. Update: Just one last thought, maybe use the airplanes speed and time over target against itself. I could increase the time for a Visual detect. It will not affect you attack against merchant and Destroyer ships since you will spend all long time mostly compared to seconds or a few minutes for airplanes. Thus a change to Visual detect time will hurt the airplanes much greater than Ships spotting you.