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Skybird · 08-10-09, 06:45 PM

well, until last year, early summer, I part-time-jobbed as a cashier in a small warehouse for some years, and occasionally I and colleagues did ask for receipts of people if they carried items that were sold in that shop, too. It is perfectly legal to do so, and the receipt is the only evidence that you legally bought something, that's why it is important that you take that damn piece of paper with you even if buying just some chewing gum - and then enter another shop.

And if you are being stopped and asked for a receipt, you cannot sue them for asking you, not under german or EU law. They do not have the right to search you if you do not comply, but they have the right to hold you, to hinder you from leaving, and to call the police. And the police has the right to search you, without you being able to sue them for that, don't be mistaken there. And that's what happened quite some times while I was jobbing there.

They ask, you prove that you legally bought the item in question by showing your receipt. That simple it is. What is the freaking problem?

Shoplifting was a big problem there, even more since they were fighting for their economic survival. The daily loss equalled 2 worker's monthly payments. That's a mark where the fun ends at the latest, I would say.

And what has all this to do with software DRM? Nothing.

Let's get the thread back on track.

DRM is meant to hinder piracy, and more and more it is also meant to prevent second-hand selling of software that the producers prefers to sell himself at full price. So DRM last but not least is about controlling and ending the second hand market, like it was with preventing the legal possibility to record public programs from TV and radio buy encoding CDs with copy protections - legally you still are allowed to record their content. It's just that you are not legally allowed to crack their copy protection scheme. that you cannot do the first without doing the second is - an unfortunate coincidence only, of course. Who could have forseen that complication?

08-10-09, 06:45 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,707 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	well, until last year, early summer, I part-time-jobbed as a cashier in a small warehouse for some years, and occasionally I and colleagues did ask for receipts of people if they carried items that were sold in that shop, too. It is perfectly legal to do so, and the receipt is the only evidence that you legally bought something, that's why it is important that you take that damn piece of paper with you even if buying just some chewing gum - and then enter another shop. And if you are being stopped and asked for a receipt, you cannot sue them for asking you, not under german or EU law. They do not have the right to search you if you do not comply, but they have the right to hold you, to hinder you from leaving, and to call the police. And the police has the right to search you, without you being able to sue them for that, don't be mistaken there. And that's what happened quite some times while I was jobbing there. They ask, you prove that you legally bought the item in question by showing your receipt. That simple it is. What is the freaking problem? Shoplifting was a big problem there, even more since they were fighting for their economic survival. The daily loss equalled 2 worker's monthly payments. That's a mark where the fun ends at the latest, I would say. And what has all this to do with software DRM? Nothing. *Let's get the thread back on track.* DRM is meant to hinder piracy, and more and more it is also meant to prevent second-hand selling of software that the producers prefers to sell himself at full price. So DRM last but not least is about controlling and ending the second hand market, like it was with preventing the legal possibility to record public programs from TV and radio buy encoding CDs with copy protections - legally you still are allowed to record their content. It's just that you are not legally allowed to crack their copy protection scheme. that you cannot do the first without doing the second is - an unfortunate coincidence only, of course. Who could have forseen that complication? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.