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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo
Max - actually your wrong.
Any NAVAL hospital is considered US Government Property - thus is soveriegn US Soil. To be considered a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" then one must have been born on sovereign US Soil. This is why certain islanders have taken to boats, thrown themselves overboard when a coast guard cutter approaches - to be fished out of the water. The stress in very late term pregnancies of such an ordeal causes the birth of the child - which has occured more than once on the deck of a soveriegn US ship. Since the ship is property and part of the military arm, it is considered US "Soil", so the child is automatically a citizen, and the parent or parents end up staying to care for the child, since it cannot be deported.
The only exception to this "natural born" clause is that if one parent is a member of the military, and is deployed outside of the US, and the child is born to them in the deployed location, the child is considered natural born.
In this case - John McCain is doubly covered in that he was born where he was due to his family being deployed on US military duty.
I highly doubt that Barak's mother was a deployed member of the military if he was born outside US soil.
Allow me to give one further example. If you have a sister who is pregnant - and she decides to go with her husband/significant other to France on holiday - and has the baby early, in france - that child is NOT a "NATURAL BORN" citizen. They can be given citizen ship status, but the are not legally termed natural born. This is a big distinction, as the legal requirements for running are quite clear.
Lastly - I say it doesn't matter because in 3 years it will all come out that it was a mistake and the decision will be made to let him continue in office - thus setting the precedent for AH-Nald to run.....
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Quoting from a Foreign Affairs Manual: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."
The specific exception for military personnel has only been introduced recently. As a matter of fact, Obama co-sponsored the bill.
Again, I 100% believe that McCain is a natural born citizen of the United States, since he got his citizenship by birth. My point is that the entire issue is bogus, since nobody debates the citizenship of Obama's mother, or the fact that he was an American citizen by birth as well.
This whole equation of natural born citizen with being born in the US is bogus, since the term was never defined in the Constitution, and has never been definitively defined as such in American law or case law.