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Mikeb213 · 07-14-09, 05:42 PM

Hey Subnuts, I have looked all over for pictures of the Scorpion. There are barely any at all. Do you have pictures of the hull we could take a look at?

I found these from the 1986 trip:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...s/ssn589-n.htm

and these of the 1968 trip:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...s/ssn589-k.htm

I don't see a lot of sub, with only 6 pictures from 68, and 5 from 86? There is over 200 feet of submarine, and we can all agree something happened to it. Looking at the pictures from 68 I see the damage to the sail appears to have been removed, how ever in 1986 it doesn't even look like the same sail. Look at the images of the message bouy, 1968 vs 1986? Who opened the door since the 60's? Maybe we are looking at negatives but if you compare the way the sail was sitting in the 60's to the picture from the 80's they don't really match. As a matter of fact it 'looks' like some one was jacking with the wreck, or we are not looking at the same sub. Just from discussion of what happens to the WWII boats the hull gets enormous pressure placed on it at depth. So, how did the door bouy door open? I believe the tactical advantage that a US sub would have in a one on one combat would be partially negated if the Russians knew they were coming and from which general direction. But there was more then just one ship in the area. They were supposedly sent to shadow a convoy. SO we don't know for sure that it was a one on one deal.

So with that being said, remember the battle of Midway?

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway

"American codebreakers were able to determine the date and location of the attack, enabling the forewarned U.S. Navy to set up an ambush of its own. Four Japanese aircraft carriers and a heavy cruiser were sunk in exchange for one American aircraft carrier and a destroyer. The heavy losses, particularly the four fleet carriers and their aircrews, permanently weakened the Imperial Japanese Navy.[11]"

Think about what the US was able to pull off with just a little bit of code. Think about the damage that could have been done with Walker giving the codes to the Russians, and them having the crypto gear. If anything Walker may be the one to blame for the whole thing. Bastard should have been hung for what he did, and what he may have possibly caused.

The boat not being completely flooded? Got an answer for that too......how about the Tang from WWII? Hit by its own torpedo? Sunk in 180 feet of water off of Formosa. People survived from that, they were able to close down the water tight doors. From all I have read a sub at battle stations closes all water tight compartments. Some compartments may have flooded but others retained there integrity until they dropped below crush depth.

Just some thoughts I had......

07-14-09, 05:42 PM	#7
Mikeb213 Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 49 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Hey Subnuts, I have looked all over for pictures of the Scorpion. There are barely any at all. Do you have pictures of the hull we could take a look at? I found these from the 1986 trip: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...s/ssn589-n.htm and these of the 1968 trip: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...s/ssn589-k.htm I don't see a lot of sub, with only 6 pictures from 68, and 5 from 86? There is over 200 feet of submarine, and we can all agree something happened to it. Looking at the pictures from 68 I see the damage to the sail appears to have been removed, how ever in 1986 it doesn't even look like the same sail. Look at the images of the message bouy, 1968 vs 1986? Who opened the door since the 60's? Maybe we are looking at negatives but if you compare the way the sail was sitting in the 60's to the picture from the 80's they don't really match. As a matter of fact it 'looks' like some one was jacking with the wreck, or we are not looking at the same sub. Just from discussion of what happens to the WWII boats the hull gets enormous pressure placed on it at depth. So, how did the door bouy door open? I believe the tactical advantage that a US sub would have in a one on one combat would be partially negated if the Russians knew they were coming and from which general direction. But there was more then just one ship in the area. They were supposedly sent to shadow a convoy. SO we don't know for sure that it was a one on one deal. So with that being said, remember the battle of Midway? Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway "American codebreakers were able to determine the date and location of the attack, enabling the forewarned U.S. Navy to set up an ambush of its own. Four Japanese aircraft carriers and a heavy cruiser were sunk in exchange for one American aircraft carrier and a destroyer. The heavy losses, particularly the four fleet carriers and their aircrews, permanently weakened the Imperial Japanese Navy.[11]" Think about what the US was able to pull off with just a little bit of code. Think about the damage that could have been done with Walker giving the codes to the Russians, and them having the crypto gear. If anything Walker may be the one to blame for the whole thing. Bastard should have been hung for what he did, and what he may have possibly caused. The boat not being completely flooded? Got an answer for that too......how about the Tang from WWII? Hit by its own torpedo? Sunk in 180 feet of water off of Formosa. People survived from that, they were able to close down the water tight doors. From all I have read a sub at battle stations closes all water tight compartments. Some compartments may have flooded but others retained there integrity until they dropped below crush depth. Just some thoughts I had......