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Originally Posted by CastleBravo
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Originally Posted by CastleBravoDebated yes, ameteurish no. Remember major offensive operations ended rather soon. The problem, was the UN members which sactioned the activities and then had no stomach for the outcome, giving the impression that the US (GWB and the US Congress) acted alone and recklessly. That was not the case. Any other interpretation is politically motivated spin.
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Hardly. It was badly prepared. Rumsfeld ignored serious advise by his own military advisers, and bullied away all critics, and insisted on the operation being run with too little troops, no proper mission obkjectives, no idea of what to do after the Iraqi field army had been beaten, and no exist-strategy. As had to be expected, the real troubles just begun after "major operations ended" - but that perspective was totally ignored - instead Bush and Rumsfeld expected the Iraqis to applaud for Americans bringing them democracy - that shows how little they knew about that place.
It was planned by lobbying amateurs. The motivations were different than what was told to the public. The early years were pleagued by a plethora of arrogant wrong decisions and kicking better advise out the window. and what one has gotten is an Iraq that slowly but constantly shifts towards Iranian dominance.
Clever. So very very clever the whole thing.
And after having messed things up yourself, blaming other countries that warned you that you would just mess it up, and never hid that they do reject your claim of having legitimation by the UN - blaming the others who warned you of what you got: this is really lovely.
Check the archives, we have had plenty of Iraq war-debates back then. No need to do it again. The hawks back then have not changed a bit, nor has the oppositoon to the lies over Iraq changed.
Or take the easy way and watch "No end in sight", which was available for free on the web in 2007, meanwhile has been released on DVD. It is a very good summary of what went wrong, and how and why it went wrong, and why political amateurs not knowing what they were doing are responsible for the mess, and gives interviews with many of the key players who were at location in the heat of events.
http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/
And Youtube.