Thanks all the same Skybird, I do believe these are good quality optics, they're from a German based company, and they're only avaiable aroud X-mas time, I believe it's during the company's sweeps, they put their scopes on sale; they have somewhat of a cult following in the UK because they are of good craftmanship (full weather seal, high grade lenses) and not at all expensive, about 150-200E for a scope and metal tripod + accessories... total bargain for a begginer's scope
