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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

No, my reasoning is this, waterboarding has been put on the table as the most evil practice on the earth as of late. We are deemed as some sort of monster for waterboarding terrorists.

I'd argue that torture is an evil practice, and waterboarding is just one method. I don't think a line can be drawn between waterboarding and more bloody/loud forms of torture. Sleep deprivation is a horrific form of torture, but it doesn't produce any blood or visual disfigurement. Does that make it ok in your book?

Waterboarding is only one of the methods that were used. Sleep deprivation (up to 11 days chained up), starvation, beatings, refusing medical treatment until the suspect started to talk (done to a US citizen).

In my view, he is getting off much lighter then those who are paraded around on the internet before, during and after the beheadings.

Why does this matter? Honestly, I can't see the logic in it being ok to torture bad people, just because they're bad people. All you seem to focus on is how awful terrorists are, not on why it is ok for a nation to torture people.

And again, as stated above, torture in the physical sense that John McCain received I do not agree with. Suffering a bit with a cloth on your face and water poured over it to simulate drowning, although not pleasent and not meant to be, is fine by me. Although you may not see my view on this I do not see your view on waterboarding(not out and out torture for the rackmaster as you believe I'm thinking)...just the sole question and debate on waterboarding itself.

Waterboarding is torture, AVG. It is "out and out" torture. The only people saying otherwise are those who have been caught doing. Waterboarding also isn't the only thing that was going on. Read the released memos and you'll see this.
You can't have it both ways on this, really.

Guards beat detainees and filmed it. Sleep deprivations. Same as happened to John McCain. But I suppose that's somehow not "out and out" torture.

As far as I'm concerned, any right to anything a terrorist might have was lost just after the aircrafts crashed into several buildings killing thousands on 9/11.

I can't believe this. It's OK to torture anyone we think is a terrorist, because we've been hurt.

Surely a challenging time like post-9/11 is a chance to prove that you are not weak and barbaric.
If you claim to value peace and justice, kidnapping and torturing people makes these hobbies, not values.

Originally Posted by Aramike

Okay, seriously, your point was that, due to some "bad" information, enhanced interrogation shouldn't occur. My counter-point is that there is good information being learned as well, but that you're acting as though only bad information exists.

No, my point boils down to the idea that torture should not be allowed because it is a repellent and disgusting practice, not because it does or does not work.