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Originally Posted by Bewolf
Be it as it is, Subman does have a point, though in a different way then he imagines. The trend for thought control and political correctness is getting out of hand, even in Germany by now. Beeing something like a liberal, even I have to say "ordering" ppl what to think and what not, or at least hide their thoughts, is more dangerous them letting folks blabber. At least you know whom you taking to when folks are allowed to talk as they wish, without public pressure to obey rules set up mostly by very hyprocritical folks. Cursing in general is a good example of good intentions going extremly over the top. It's like in former times churches telling ppl sex is dirty, which naturally is complete nonsense. Making laws against human nature is opression, no matter how good the intentions are. And yes, that includes us having to grow up to a degree that we can live with ppl not sharing our own norms to the very last detail, incuding morbid and political incorrect jokes.
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Good post, illustrating one of the main reasons why I am so bitterly hostile to any religious ideologies and institutions.
I just disagree on the general statement of "making laws against human nature is opression". Killing also is part of human nature, man can do it, man has done it, and it is part of his nature in that it is part of his life and reality. But there is nothing wrong in having laws trying to sanction it in order to minimise it.
The problem in Germany and europe is that too much ideologic thought control sneaks in under misleading labels of deceiving content, that they evade existing constitutional and legal laws and guarantees eventually, and afterwards even start to deform these constitutional and legal rules and guarantees retrospectively, trying to get into place without the existing laws' blessing, but once installed changing them to legalise their own new content and bringing them in line with themselves. In that context we also see in parts a massive attempt to rewrite and reinterpret parts of history and changing it to bring it into conformity with political correctness.
So, by what is stated in the German constitution in the first 22 articles, I can live with that. And still things go wrong - partly in known or unknown ignoration of and partly in active violation and abuse of the constitution. But you see similiar trends in England and America as well, it seems.