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Originally Posted by Frame57
You will see that some of the records state that two were led before him and in another record they were led after him. This is a contradiction. The greek words I am referencing here is Duo Lestai and Duo Kakourgos. They are two different things grammatically. One is a far worse criminal than the other. So if grammar means anything to the serious biblical student and you paint the picture using all the gospel records you see that yes 4 were crucified with Jesus. Also note that two reviled jesus on the cross and that of the other group only one did and the other was repentant.
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Those two words do not describe two different crimminal acts, which if it did, I suppose could lead someone to think they might be speaking of four different people. However upon investigation though δύο λῃστης (
dou lēstēs) translated simply means 'two theives' and δύο κακοῦργος (dou kakourgos) mean 'two malefactors'
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thief is one who secretly, unlawfully and feloniously takes the goods or personal property of another. The thief takes the property of another privately; the robber by open force.
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malefactor is one who commits a crime; one guilty of violating the laws, in such a manner as to subject him to public prosecution and punishment,
particularly to capital punishment; a criminal.
Each of the four Gospels were written by four different people each giving a testimoney of the things they witnessed seeing and or hearing. Hence the reason why we call it a 'testimoney' or 'witness'. In certain Gospels (Mathew, Mark) it was known the dou crucified with Yeshua were sentenced to death as theives. To another witness (Luke) the duo were known only as malefactors. Which I suspect was because the nature of their crime was most likely not known to him and he did not assume to know. John on the otherhand did not identify either of the men according to their deeds rather he only refers to them as "a
nd two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst".
Keep in mind too back then 'in biblical times' in that region, depending on who and or from what the thief had stolen from he could receive the death penalty for his actions, just as these two malefactors did. To receive such a sentence they would have probably had to steal items from the palace or temple.
I hope that made sense
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