[Aramike]

How sick are you in your heart and how troubled and unscrupelous is your mind that you consider war and desease acceptable measures of population control?

Nice assumption. I don't recall using the term "acceptable" or even implying as much. I was simply pointing out a FACT, like it or not (judging by your 1000-word response, I'm going with "not").

Of what kind is the pain your soul is suffering of, what evil has been done to you that you are so eager to promote darkness? How inpertinent are you, and others, to imply that I have said anywhere that my remark on that I would like to see a planet with a very small human population - must be reached by tools like this?

Wow, you really stepped off the deep end, friend...

I'd suggest leaving the rhetorical grandstanding at the door and sticking to the specifics.

I was talking about a romantic daydream, not more.

Right. Equivocating the advocation of raising a family as "hate speech" is an odd "romantic daydream"...

Is your argument against the promotion of using contraceptives in the third world so weak and so thin, that you must hide it in the dress of demonising others who call for that measure?

Actually, I 100% agree with the use of contraceptives in the third world. I don't recall stating otherwise.

Please refrain from assumptions.

Wqar and epidemics do have a population-decreasing effect. But that is a sober mathemtical statement only. It is not and should not be part of any "argument", plan or estimation on what tools are morally acceptable to redcue population, and what not.

Again, I don't advocate war, disease, or any other calamity as a population-controlling "plan". Instead, I was attempting to illustrate that I don't believe any "plan" is possible. Basic human rights will be violated in any situation (if not the right to eat, the right to reproduce).

But see, the funny thing is, no plan is really necessary. The problem is indeed self-resolving. When the Earth can no longer sustain the amount of human life present, it will, well, stop sustaining.

It's a cruel reality but it IS reality. Nature is cruel - don't hate me for pointing out that obvious fact.

Some very poor and very devious behavior has been displayed by some of the latest posters here. And no surprise to me that once again, it is the the same bunch of supects. even those who know that I have started to evade them by ignoring them - they cannot help themselves, they must try to provoke nevertheless and try to get that stab at my back from behind and all for free. They are really like groopies scratching at my sleeping room's door to get in. they just can't give it up.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me this is nothing more than a drunken rant.

This self-indulgent, "I'm a target" crap is a tad beneath you, isn't it?

Neal, never ask me again to respect religious views like these poisenous hypocrisy to be seen here as long as you allow behavior like this taking place in your forums - that is double standards in my book. I may accept deals, and in fact have suggested them - but I do not accept to get ripped of.

Respect is something you seem to be in short supply of.

Dude, get it through your skull and into your grey mush - no one here really gives a damn if you respect any views, religious or otherwise. Everyone knows where you stand, and it's not changing anyone else's positions. Sometimes you have well thought-out arguments ... sometimes not. Either way, those of us interested in the concept of the discussion will simply say our piece in response to yours.

This is a "Discussion Forum".

And now let's get this locked, before it gets out of hand completely. Just my suggestion, of course.

That would be consistant with your typical ultra-leftist leanings, of course. Make sure you can make your argument and do your damnest to prevent any rebuttal, right?

I find it ironic how lefties only cherish freedom of expression when it comes to their own ideas. Skybird's wet dream is for discussion advocating the procreation of the human race to be considered "hate speech", all the while he is free to speak overtly hatefully regarding the religions of the world. Oddly hypocritical...

Skybird, let me explain something to you that should be pretty easy to understand: there is NO HATE in discussing birthing children and raising them to be productive. There is IMMENSE HATE in your typical views on religion.

If there is hate speech here, friend, it's coming from you.