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Originally Posted by Freiwillige
This is becoming fruitless as many just outright ignore facts.
Fact: German U-boats had an advanced welded hull construction. Not the Type VII nor any other WWII boat had Rivets. See my post above on the type VII's evolution from the WW1 UB III
Fact: German U-boats have on a few occasions exceeded 300 meters depth and a couple of times by a scary margine. 300 meters is 984.5 feet. The type VIIC\41 had a thicker Pressure hull and could go deeper than any other U-boat.
Fact:The U-boats sank 3,476 merchant vessals during WW2 with the peak in 1942.
Fact: Admiral Doenitz had wanted 300 U-boats to go to war with England. He had stated that any less would make a blockade of England near imposable.
When WWII broke out he had 57 and of those the majority were the small coastal boats! Only 27 were sea boats available to blockade England.
So one could equate tha it wasnt that the tool wasnt right for the job just that there were not enough tools to do the job right in the first place.
So speed goes to the fleet boats surface and underwater.
# of torpedo tubes goes to the fleet boats.
Dive time goes to the U-boats
Depth goes to the U-Boats
Resource alotment goes to the U-boats both in men and materials
Tonnage sunk goes to the U-boats
Technolegy goes both ways. Defensive Fleet boats. Offensive U-boats.
The fact of the matter is that Germany needed the numbers more than any other factor to make a differance in 1939' 40' 41'. Those needed numbers never materialised but they put to damn good use what they did have available in that time period.
That would make a larger differance than to make a fleet boat equivelant when they could make two Type VII's for every fleet boat.
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This topic has lack facts since these über patriotic fellas came here with their refrigerators and A/C systems as a mandatory when comparing what WW2 -era fighting vehicle were better
When discussing about WW2 era whit a true Yank, especially about Axis innovations versus Allied ones, he will 9 times out of 10 take this arrogant attitude "our stuff were ultimately better than their stuff ever was". And that very arrogance makes me sick.
The very same narrowminded deduction that has been proven wrong when comparing armour technology, rifles like german StG assault rifles, aviation technology, gun optics, etc.
When someone i.e states that 15 sec difference (31-32 sec over 46-47 sec!!) doesn't matter at all when talking about WW2 -era sub diving time, hes only one whos having the blindfold over hes eyes.
These super intellectuent peoples around here should tell why there were over 100 ex-Axis engineers and scientist at your Apollo -program? And why someone called Werner was one of the leading figures there, especially when designin the Saturn V -rocket that, if I'm not wrong, is being used still? Really the ultimate bashing of anykind of Axis -side engineering or achievements during 1930s and 1940s just tells how narrowminded and biased the judger is...
I'm quite sure that
IF the German would have fought at the Pacific theatre against similar anti-sub -gadgets (or lack of em..) that Japs had, their U-boat design would have been very very different. And vice versa about U.S subs at Atlantic theatre against similar danger that Allies posed there.
Seems like the majority of these patriotic fellas here doesn't want to remember anything good that Axis had, did or achieved. No matter if it was at land, air or sea. For example some performance figures that the XXI -class carried. The technology and basic design that was used decade(s) after the war. Not something as extraordinary as i.e. ME 262, but when compared to the majority of Axis subs, XXI's characteristics were a huge leap forward. Germans surely had the engineers, the scientists and the knowhow through the WW2. Only thing that they were missing was the recourses.