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A minority HT is?
Hardly. By voice, HT represents a minority ndeed, for most people indeed do not speak out loud against Islamisation and such. But whenever I probed into people's thinking more thouroughly in my real life, or walked from door to door and helped a local citizen's group to raise resistance against the expansion of a local mosque that was attempted even on the basis of unvalid legal proceedings (they cheated with the treaty) and no muslim community in our part fo the city, I learned that a silent majority of people indeed are, as pat condell worded it in his lataest, "sick and tired of Islam", are "sick of hearing about Islam", and "are sick of needing to give it allowances that it does not deserve". The same I realised over years as meditation teacher when repeatedly people, newcomers for the most, directed questions at me not only on religion, but on Islam as well, and i saw the same sentiment forming the majority opinion at university, which might be a bit surprising, considerign that students usually are seen as "leftist" and "liberal".
It's just that people do not dare or do not care to step forward with their rejecting views on islam. The intimidation of critical attitudes towards Islam, and the tactic of condemning everybody not embracing islamisation as a "xenophobe", a "racist" or "islamophobe", has worked wonderfully well for Islam. What a good example of tolerance and freedom and mutual respect Islam is!
And you, Mikhayl, also actively help and assist in that project of islamisation. Not before you have lost freedom and cannot get it back, you will start to understand what you have helped to destroy in the name of a terribly mislead understanding of "tolerance" and "multiculturalism" and "freedom".
For fear of needing to accept conflict, you give respect to what in return has not the smallest respect for you or anything that is not itself, and claims the right to expect you to never ask it questions, never criticise it, never tell it that it is not the most ultimate authority for ethics and values and laws on earth.
And you would be better off not to respect that. But that would mean you face the other one swinging fists at you, yes. So even if this sounds stereotypical and "macho", in the end this is an issue of separating those with courage and backbone from those who prefer to cowardly fall back and flee into daydreams about a better future taking place all by itself if only people simply would start being like this, and would just stop to be like that - that is all argument I have ever seen at the root level of all poltical debate in favour of islam in europe: to excuse oneself when accepting to fall back again. And again. And again.
Pitiful.
A latest huge study done in Germany by a university, published just some days ago, has shown that no other group of emigrants in Germany are as poorly integrated, as Turks being on last place, and Muslims in general on the last places. Emigrants from Russia (=German settlers now returning to Germany), Europeans, Asiens have very, very much less problems to integrate themselves, and succeed in education and job-finding. Only one article about that study pointed at the study stating that even more, Turks actively resist integration, instead of being "victims" of poor opportunities given to them. that was, of course politically uncorrect, and in other papers and in later news it was not repeated, painting it all as the same old victim sotry again indeed. Fact also is that the second and third generation of Turks often are even less integrated, than their parents, the first generation of Turkish guest workers, something that also is old news to me. But I know people working as social workers in Berlin, knowing the study for professional reasons, who again confirmed to me that the finding is that there is active rejection to integration being found - something that is not new for anybody knowing the basics of Muslim ideology, and part of those basics are: "never adapt to foreign cultural standards, but make them adapt to yours". Originally, first guest workers who came to Germany in the fifties, also from Grecce, Italy, did not want to stay forever, but found life here to be so much more pleasant than in poor Anatolia, so that they stayed nevertheless, while most Greek and Italians left again, and only some stayed with us. Also, it does not help us that it is the lowest social and educational class of Turkish society moving to germany and being over-represented in Turkish immigration to Germany. Most of these do not attribute to German GDP, but cost the GDP. In other words, due to the problems they rise to german society and tax-budgets in school, failing education, non-compliance at home, unemployment, social wellfare, crime rates, they do not attribute to the overall German wealth, l but they consume it without compensation. Second to the Turks in this regard - are only the other muslim groups of emigrants. As said, Asiens, Europeans, Russians, Americans - none of them raise these problems to these extreme degrees. that integration gets rejected by so many Turks, is a problem that raises from their ultra-nationalistic basic attitude (most Turks refuse german citizenship if they could get it, and prfeer to stay turkish - fact!), their macho-culture, their ultrapatriarchalic parental structures at home (often effectively castrating the positive potentials in the sons of families), and last but not last the fact! that Islamic values have not been relatives in second and third generations of emigrants - but have been strengthened and are even stronger in these than in the first generation of their parents.
Some ofthe most orthodox Islamic general attitudes and consevatism I did not meet in Algeria or Iran or Egypt - but turkey, Anatolia, with the Turks being very strong about it, and the Kurdish population I met being more "liberal". If people think of conservative French or Americans being nationalists, they have not stayed in Turkey. It's the most ultranationalistic place i know.
A lot of people will chose denial of these uncomfortable truths over drawing consequences from it, no doubt. Again we chose to fall back one more step, all inthe name of just avoiding conflict. but avoiding conflict cannot be the priority that decides our actions - the outcome that is best for our culture and ALL our people and our home must be the decisive criterion, and conflict must be accepted and must not be avoided in order to reach that. There is no worth in people silently opposing Islam - but not standing up for that conviction and fighting for their freedom to oppose it. Such people are just a disappointment.
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Last edited by Skybird; 01-29-09 at 08:44 AM.
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