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Originally Posted by Skybird
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To compare it with Stalin's tyranny, is the most absurd thing I've red in this board for one or two weeks. which means it is really quite absurd. The British Empire was Light and Shadow, in in many places it was more light than shadow. Stalinism only was deepest darkness. Is there any civilisational benefit you would see in it? Hardly. with estimations of victims killed by Stalinism ranging from 20 to 40 millions, it would need courage to claim that.
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Stalin industrialized the USSR, eventually making it a superpower. This industrial capacity was instrumental in destroying the Nazis.
Certainly, similar economic results could have been attained without killing 20 million people. I'm just saying in some ways the Soviet Union did benefit from Stalinism, so there was some social benefit. |
You could say the same about hitler, and Germany after Versaille. There certainly was no unemployment under the Nazis, and the industry boomed, and before the middle of WWII people had bread on their table again. that was the reason why Hitler managed to blind the Germans initially - he turned the treaty of Versaille against the Allies, so to speak. |
Germany didn't have any unemployment but they were geared toward only one goal, war. And not just any war, a world war. So I don't see the Germany of 1930's as a state that had any other option but to try to take over the planet through war. Any other option wouldn't have worked for them.
For the Soviets, they rose after the WW 2 as a significant world power. This after having been the attacked by the nazis and beaten about 75 - 80 % of the nazi war machine to a pile of junk. Not bad for a nation that only recently emerged from under the yoke of the Czarist rule, serfdom and slavery.