New cartoon scandal brewing - danes does it again (MERGED)
 

Cor blimey! I wonder if it is some sort of national personality disorder that makes us do that. Like the wet paint syndrome. Or "Do not press this button"-button pressing compulsive disorder. Sort of like Dexter's big sister Dee Dee of international politics.

The thing is that the DPP is a xenophobic as you can get. They aren't overtly racist, but they view islam as a threat to Denmark. The video in question was taken at a political summer camp for young people. Which means it was, unlike the cartoons, not meant for public consumption. someone decided that it should be sent to a news station and thus it became public.

I don't know how it is in other countries but around here youth party organizations are always where the most radical people are. No matter if they are lefties or righties. And this is no excuse.

Me, I hope this one just blows over silently. The fickle arabs have hopefully figured out that throwing hissyfits and storming embassies gets then no where fast.

I wonder if they (DPP) are brave, in their just right or just really stupid.

Quite the opposite, I hope that it blows out of proportion again - it works against sympathies for Islam, and increases the numbers of Westerners that are pissed off by Islam. It seems that such things are the only chance to revive some fighting spirit in europeans so that they realize that they are in danger again and need to fight against it.

You are a very strange person to encourage for, and wish war upon us.

I wish they get the message. If they stop reacting like imbeciles, THEN we have won the war. And without a shot fired.

Who necessarily talked of "war"? To wage war against the West or not, and trying to impose Islam onto the West - that decision is theirs, not ours: we did not invite that decision intentionally, but you are signalling htem that you will not resist by efficent means. I talked of fighting against Islam and resisting the islamic ideology spreading all over the west, and to enforce the integration of Muslims into Western cultural habits, laws, and values - else these people must leave europe if they think integration and full surrender to the non-negotiable dominance of Western culture in the Western sphere is demanded too much. I just have come to the conclusion that the damage being inflicted by islam onto Western societies still is not hurting enough as that sufficient majorities of Western residents see the need to confront Islam and tell it: not one inch further. So, the West must make more - numerically - and more intense hurting and painful experiences before it will realize what's the name of the game really is - and that is not tolerance and reason. "Wer nicht hören will, muß fühlen." You want to wait until they change being "imbeciles", as you put it, and they should do it all by themselves, just for fun. But you do not want to do anything towards that goal. You spare them any need to rethink their ideology. By your non-action - they see it working as planned. So why should they stop behaving like imbeciles when it works so well for them, and people like you are willing to help them to avoid all direct hurting consequences that are coming as a consequence of Islam's nature and essence? You may think waiting for the fairy-queen fixing things is an option. I do not. You want it all to change for the better, but you do not want to accept the work and conflict-readiness needed for that. That's why things will constantly detoriate as long as people of your opinions dominate policy-making, for you will always step back to avoid conflict and confrontation. Islam is an ideology of winners and conquerors, and it takes all. It does not know the option of loosing, a prsent loss only means that the bfight will be continued later, until victory is secured. Your peaceful attitude is no match for it. From it's perspective you are just an unworthy weakling whose wellmeaningness waits to be exploited. Your sig is a joke only. You are not aware of the consequences it means: active resistance, that is. Guys like you are too kind - and they know that, and take maximum advantage of that.

A bit late to try and avoid war since the Western World has been at war with Islam for some centuries now.

Besides, when will they start answering for their flag burning? That's quite insulting to the nations whose flags are involved.

I'll take the side of the Muslims on this one.

Down with the state TV!

Now, down with the state TV in Iran, Syria, and the rest of the Middle East too!

Or don't they air programs just as bad and insulting if not far worse than this and do so on an almost daily basis? http://www.memritv.org/

The Danish get rid of their state TV and the Middle East does the same, deal?

The rest is the same ol': many of our radical youth grow out of their radicalism and those who remain radical have stopped practicing terrorism even if they still support it. Their radicals are maintained in radicalism by the Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, for example, and end up dead in Israel, Iraq, UK, Germany, Spain and abroad in some cases practicing mass murder or attempting to do so. We have opposing voices in Denmark. All opposing voice to the Ayatollah or Ahmadinejad are promtly silenced or suppressed. We have the liberty of despising this youth organization, changing the channel and complaining to the TV station, they have to pretend they abide by the official speech even if they don't.

If Muslims, Islamic orgs and Islamists outside Denmark believe they have the right to criticize foreign TV stations then they cannot deny my criticizing of their stations.

What dangerous repercussions are we talking about here? Calling for the assassination of the Pope? The destruction of the Vatican? The murder of all expatriated voices from the Middle East? Stabbing movie directors you don't like? The attack on two skyscrapers, a military headquarters and somewhere else? The hijacking and explosion of 10 airplanes or so above the Atlantic? The explosion of buses? The explosion of subway trains?

To them it's just an excuse. I think it's a disgrace to God that they don't go to church on Sunday. Lets go protest in Iran.

ps. Bring your 357 magnum.

No what I am saying is that they do know already. IF they know what is good for them, they will ignore it. But they cannot.

They must show that they are good muslims and fight vehemently to protect its honour. Not because it matters to most, not even the muslims I believe, but because it is prestigious to be the upholder of propiety. So everyone tries to be the first to condemn these things with firebrand rhetorics.

So you see, if they were able to for once to just shrug and move on, I think the west would have won a small victory. Of course they won't, because that would be to admit defeat.

anti-muslim sentiment is growing in the UK as well, many people are getting fed up with the massive over-reactions from certain muslim groups.

there may be a war brewing a lot of people on both 'sides' are getting mighty annoyed.

I think its not as much the overreaction as it is one is continously reminded of their ambiguos affinity. Are they democrats or muslims that want the sharia or caliphate? At least some muslims have figured out that they are democrats first, national citizens next then muslims. So what ever the great prophet has to say, he comes third when it conflicts with king or country.

Unfortunately they do not receive much media attention ,and a lot of hatred from the foaming-at-the-mouth radicals.

A true Muslim is Muslim first, citizen second - in a Western understanding. In Muslim understanding, there is only Ummah.

Every third British Muslim citizen wants the Sharia. I say that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide prefers caliphate to democracy - in congruency with Quran, Hadith, Muhammad's example, Islamic history.

I think you mistake that for orthodox muslims. There is no one unifiedmuslimhood out there, already they had divergent paths of faith a few years after the prophets death. Otherwise shiites and sunnis wouldn't be at each other's jugulars in Iraq. So if they can have one schizm, lets help them get another. The good thing is that some of the brighter heads have figured out they can be just fine putting islam third in the rank. It is a hard fight but I think the war will be easier won with nylon stockings, coca cola and jeans rather than blood and iron.

Neither Shiite nor Sunni Islamic schools of jurisprudence differ much in their concepts of Jihad and Islamic global domination and the subjugation of infidels.
I would not necessarily assume such people to be brighter. Many Muslims are ignorant of their own religion, same as most Jews and Christians are of theirs today.

You might say that ignorance is bliss. But what happens once they do learn? Do such "enlightened" Muslims then reject their religion altogether, live knowing the facts that they are mediocre sinning Muslims or become repentant and join the Uma?
:nope:

Anyway, heads up!

Strychnine found in Danish reservoir.

Sounds like:

Hundreds of Iraqi police poisoned, officials say.

And is all this an answer to the call?

It's a different world. :cry:

The strychnine was put into water supply by teenagers. So far they are not described as jihadists.

I think you have the same set-in-stone view on islam as Skybird has. There is only a Uma because people choose to join it. If they choose otherwise, like Naser Khader of the newly founded Democratic Muslims, you put democracy first, nationality second and islam third. He stated that on public tv several times, in newspapers and - of course- have received several death threats by deranged second generation muslim immigrants.

The breaking of orthodox islams stranglehold on people's mind will first subside when the clan family structures are broken. Today it is very costly to break with islam if your family has orthodox members. If you asked a well educated man in private, would he say yes to democracy and no to sharia he might answer yes, of course. Put a camera up his nose and have him say that in public. He will most likely not dare due to peer pressure. This also means that the power of the imams should be diminished. The danish priests do not concern themselves with politics in the media, nor should the imams. But someone, apparantly, decided that they are qualified to speak on behalf of muslims. Which I believe is the mistake, as Skybird have mentioned earlier. Or at least I think that was the gist of his long rants :)

I reiterate my sentiment from earlier debates. Islam is used as a political tool. Always has been. Is still. People choose or are forced to choose this particular way. To give them a real choise means to allow them to say no to orthodox islam without receiving death threats. Unfortunately that is the case right now.

It is the people that is the problem, not the religion. Once we thought the pope was almighty and the church dogma untouchable. But some stood up and hammered an eloquent if slightly long "FU!" on the church door of Wittenberg. See what happened. We patiently await a muslim theologist with enough cojones to do that.

And no, Skybird, before you launch into a 95 paragraph explanation of why islam cannot change, I disagree. Islam can change if the believers want it, no matter what the prophet said or did not say.

That doesn't mean I believe we should just sit down and let fickle muslims throw hissy fits all over the place everytime someone pokes fingers at Mohammed. Enough of that, no more groveling. We will not submit.

Where did you see this update? Even the Copenhagen Post newspaper says nothing about this since the original story was published on the 6th.
Definitely. I'm glad you used the term "Islam" and not "Muslims".
That's true about Islam, too, or conceptually about any group association.
He is an Islamic apostate. So what is your point?
Some of the most well known Islamic terrorists, including Mphamed Atta and many more, were western educated, had no lack of money, etc., and yet.................

Bin Laden is worth billions but he doesn't care. It's what Allah wants that counts. Either you're a believing Muslim or you're not. There is no middle ground.
Islam grants them the powers. To diminish them means putting Islam on a leash first. And you grand plan is what exactly?
You do not understand the all-encompassing essence of Islam. Politics is no different that personal life. All must be performed to please Allah by following Allah's teachings and commandments as handed down by Mohamed. Nothing is excluded from Islam's scope. This is a critical point.
Islam and Islam's teachings. And who exactly has disqualified them?
I do not believe that Skybird said this but let us await his reply.
That is essential Islam - not a mutated rendition of it.
It is written in the Quran and ahaddiths. It is taught by the greatest of Islam's jurists throughout the centuries. It is not a particular way. It is THE way of Islam.
Then you will have to fight Islam.
Prove it.
Skybird will answer this much better than I can from his more accurate knowledge of Christianity. However, in a nutshell, the Emperor of Rome was naked, in the sense that there is no precise commandment or scripture in the new testament that the Pope is holier than............... the Pope. :lol: Is that correct, Skybird?

But as for Islam, please prove to the world that Jihadic Islam is not what Islamic scriptures and sources teach. The world awaits you as its savior. Good luck!
Then it is no longer Islam. It is some fuddy duddy rendition of it. Whether it would be called I-slam or We-slam would simply be a question of semantics.