Ayaan Hirsi Ali Again!
 

Just in: Ayaan Hirsi Ali will announce tomorrow that she will leave her seat in the Dutch Parliament.

Ayaan hit the news again last week when she admitted that she had lied about her name and her personal circumstances in order to get the Dutch nationality. Her political party, the VVD (right wing libereal party) knew about this when she became a candidate for the Parliament. The minister of immigration policy is the hard-line Rita Verdonk from the same party, who told Ayaan that she would have refused her the Dutch nationality had she been a minister at that time. Recently a Turkish family was refused the Dutch nationality and sent back when it was found that they had lied during the immigration/naturalisation procedure.

Ayaan is invited to join the American Enterprise Institute in Washington per September 1, 2006.

One thing is for sure: never a dull moment with Ayaan!

I'll bite. Who is she?

She's a critic of islam so must not be too bad.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali Again!
 

Ask The Avon Lady, ask Skybird, ask Google...

She is an extremely outspoken and an attractive - even charismatic - black (former Muslim) woman who was sexually mutulated in Somalia, was about to be married off to - I think - an uncle, when she fled to Germany and consequently to Holland.
She worked as a cleaning woman and later as translator for threathened Muslim women while studying political science. She became a member of the centre-left Socialist (PvdA) Party think tank but changed in three years ago her political affiliation to the centre-right VVD.
She wrote the script for the controversial movie "Submission" which was directed by one of her friends, cineast and publisher Theo van Gogh, who was consequently murdered as an act of terror by a Muslim fanatic. A death threath-letter to Ayaan was stabbed on the chest of Van Gogh. She is now under permanent police protection. She has written books about the suppressive character of Islam towards women and homosexuals.
During the recent "Cartoon-farce" she publicly defended the right to offend religions at a press conference in Berlin.
Less than a month ago some neighbours won a court case against the Dutch State to force Ayaan to abandon the "safe house" she is living in due to the extreme inconvenience it caused to her neighbours.

You lead by example.

She must apologize and make clear she regrets lying, and hopefully discourage similar acts by other desperate Somalies.

Afterall, we're lied to all the time about Islam and Somalia.

I guess she made a bad choice, there are easier European nations to immigrate to and get citizenship, The nether underworld of Holland is certainly among the tougher ones, since all citizens must be able to put their finger in the hole on the dam.

Re: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Again!
 

As it should be. Is it possible to revoke her citizenship now that it is known to have been obtained through fraudulent means?

Ayaan Hirsi Ali Again!
 

This thing is turning into a disgusting story by the hour in Holland.

Rita Verdonk, the Minister of Integration and the "Iron Lady" of the VVD, who is now in a (primary) race to become party leader, published today the preliminary result of her investigation. It turns out that Ayaan Hirsi Ali, of her same party, illegally got the Dutch citizenship. Ayaan will have 6 weeks to apeal.
It has unknown but extremely serious consequences that a member of the Dutchg Parliament will be considered an illegal. Tomorrow Ayaan will give up her seat in Parliament. The consequence will also be that her 24/7 protection will be revoked and that she will be easy meat for radical Muslims who have attempted to kill her before. She will probably become stateless, which means that she will not be allowed to enter into the USA and she might lose her job at the American Enterprises Institute think tank since she will not be the coveted Member of Parliament with a Dutch passport. There might even be a criminal prosecution against her.

Mind you, all this by a Minister - Rita Verdonk - who has been caught lying to Parliament time after time.

In my opinion Hirsi Ali has lost the value she had for her VVD party three years ago an is now being given an imperial dump to promote a would be VVD party leader.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is certainly a controversial figure, but treating her like this after the valid contributions she made to this country - at a very stiff personal price - is a bloody shame in my opinion. It shows that in Holland the rules are made not to serve the people, but the other way around.

Don't try to be someone special in Holland. We have our rules to make you as mediocre as the rest of us.
:down:

The Dutch government is responsible for the safety of all people in our country. Citizans/Criminals/Tourists/Illegals, that does not matter. If she needs 24/7 protection she will get it !

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That the other side is worthy of contempt too doesn't mean the fraud was OK.

Re: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Again!
 

@ Drebbel:
Really?
Well, purely theoretical this is true. Practice is much different though.
With the constant gulf of liquidations in Amsterdam it shows that the State doesn't take the safety of all people very serious... Solving those liquidations was never a priority till the liquidation of Wim Endstra in 2004.

@ Wim Libaers:
Yes, but then Rita Verdonk should be merciless to all who defrauded during their immigration and naturalisation procedure. And apply the same standards to herself, each time she lies to Parliament and is forced to admit it. Mind you, Ayaan came to Holland in a period that a little lie for good reasons was hardly frowned upon, and often encouraged by immigration lawyers, social workers etc. Furthermore, Ayaan never made a secret of the fact that she had lied, dhe told it in a TV shop several years ago and Rita Verdonk and her party knew it.
Ayaan has been too outspoken in the eyes of many - whit which I can agree. Now she is a liability for some in her party and a chance for Rita Verdonk to show off how tough she is.
Thanks Ayaan and bye, bye...

Re: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Again!
 

Bingo !

Narrowminded mediocre friggin little Holland :down:

But that being said: Ayaan really has to go without honor. She lied and had her share of fun in Holland. Yessir ! She is a masochistoc cynic at worst and masochistic idealist at best and in it mostly for her personal gain. Simple as that.

Anyway, screw politicians, screw lying immigrants (be it pro of con islam of whatever). Bye bye

Re: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Again!
 

Of course.

While that would be nice, I'm afraid this is the kind of thing most citizens would like, but that might have serious problems being accepted in parliament, regardless of who wins the elections.

Which is part of the reason why there are serious immigrant problems in some regions, so it's good to abandon that system and correct some errors of the past.

The problem should have been solved earlier. But better late than never.

Standard politics.

In this context:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/...DgxMjg5Wj.html

Goodbye, Holland.

Abraham, take a hint.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0519/p09s01-coop.html

After the cartoon row, a lot of talking there has been on the shameful behavior of Europe not giving the Danish the needed ammount of support. I wonder why noone talks of the shame, that certain people thankfully take the fact that she lied (to escape her former home and find a new one in the Netherlands) as a foul excuse to remove her, practically, and spread the impression that peace and tolerance, and law and order as well, have won over an evil that threatened to disrupt the silence of the European idyll. Now she is leaving, problem solved, one more Islam-critical voice successfully silenced and moved out.

Just learned these days that H.-P. Raddatz, very critical and sharp Islam-expert whose books I know very well and share their opinions completely, also has left Europe a while ago and settled down in the US. He lived under threats of murder for years, and was heavily bodyguarded by the police which now is said to have told him they cannot guarantee his safety any longer. From an editor of a regional newspaper, whom I know from former work and still am in contact with, I was told in private, that amongst insiders there is another story told: that there is a governmental order to stop protection for Raddatz, which can only be motivated by getting rid of him, for his constant criticism is too uncomfortable for Europe's wish to become Islamic.

Who knows - it would be ironic if in twenty years or so I find myself, too, begging America for political asylum in order to escape Islam. :88)