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bigboywooly 05-01-06 12:23 PM

Dates
 
Am currently ploughing my way thru the roster/sea and altering the ship availability dates - so you dont encounter a c class destroyer in 39 when they are not built till 43 !!! All updated sheets will have all built models with actual date they came in service and date they were sunk too

ie
[UnitClass]
ClassName=DDHuntI
UnitType=4
AppearanceDate=19391212
DisappearanceDate=19460101
DisplayName=BR DD Hunt I

[Unit 1]
Name=HMS Atherstone L.05
DOC=19391212
DOD=19460101

[Unit 2]
Name=HMS Berkeley L.47
DOC=19400129
DOD=19440819

[UnitClass]
ClassName=DDCClass
UnitType=4
AppearanceDate=19430961
DisappearanceDate=19451231
DisplayName=BR DD C Class

[Unit 1]
Name=HMS Caesar R07
DOC=19440214
DOD=19451231

[Unit 2]
Name=HMS Cambrian R.85
DOC=19431210
DOD=19451231

[Unit 3]
Name=HMS Caprice R.01
DOC=19430916
DOD=19451231

will eventually do all just doing british at mo and will post a link to download when available

my little way of contributing as wouldnt know where to begin with new ship etc lol

Sailor Steve 05-01-06 01:27 PM

I've been doing exactly the same thing for the Germans. The problem is availability isn't determined by when the ship was launched-it is determined by the commissioning date. Fortunately I have those for Germand destroyers, and it means that the first Type 36A doesn't enter service until September 1940, rather than the 1939 date currently in the mods.

Make sure yours aren't still earlier than they should be.

bigboywooly 05-01-06 01:50 PM

dates
 
yes noticed that trouble is a lot of them only have launched not commision dates - still will be more accurate than it is now. one thing i have already noticed is in a couple of the additional destroyer groups - the coddrington class should be the "A" class with HMS Coddrington being part of that class and the "N" class names should all be in "O&P" class. not to sure what to do about the last one cos i dont know if the modded ship is a O&P class or an "N" class. the A class can just rename all the ref to coddrington as "A" ..will no when i run game whether recognition manual has changed to

Best of luck with the german one - are you going to post it somewhere after ?

Sailor Steve 05-01-06 02:06 PM

I'll have to get it to the library where I post; that could take some time.

I've been running it in my game but the Type 36As are still there, but that's the SCR. I assume it makes a difference in the Random Layer, but the Scripted Layer has to be changed manually, and Rubini has other obligations now.

Since most of the Germans show up in the SCR, it may take some time.

Oh, I also noticed that a lot of the Type 34s and 36As are missing from the game files. I had to add them all in. I'm thinking of doing it for the Americans as well, as I'm sure there were a lot more Fletchers than appear in the game.

booger2005 05-02-06 04:39 AM

I didn't think that the individual units with DOC/DOD ie

[Unit 1]
Name=HMS Atherstone L.05
DOC=19391212
DOD=19460101

[Unit 2]
Name=HMS Berkeley L.47
DOC=19400129
DOD=19440819

had any effect on the game. I always assumed they were part of an unfinished feature for naming your kills (Like SHIII commander does now). What purpose do they serve?

bigboywooly 05-05-06 09:05 PM

dates
 
well i thought the ship couldnt be used before the doc date as it shouldnt be because it not built yet - i mean at the start of the war the allies were using WW1 destroyers not really built for uboat chasing - the later ones are more up to the job but you shoulnt be able to run into a 1942 destroyer in 39- it works in reserse where you dont see a liberty or victory till later in the war

booger2005 05-07-06 06:42 AM

Re: dates
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly
well i thought the ship couldnt be used before the doc date as it shouldnt be because it not built yet - i mean at the start of the war the allies were using WW1 destroyers not really built for uboat chasing - the later ones are more up to the job but you shoulnt be able to run into a 1942 destroyer in 39- it works in reserse where you dont see a liberty or victory till later in the war

I think the info in question is found a bit further up in the file

[UnitClass]
ClassName=OTMST2
UnitType=101
AppearanceDate=19380101
DisappearanceDate=19451201
DisplayName=BR T2 Tanker

The info, AFAIK, under the [Unit x] headers is worthless and making major changes is probably wasteing your time. I don't think there is anything in the campaign that is actually keeping track of all the different units. Anonymous destroyers of a class are scripted to patrol an area for about a year at a time, then just dissappear. Or, destroyers are added randomly to convoys. Sure, a class won't appear after its DissappearanceDate or before it AppearanceDate. But there is nothing to say, remove a single Hunt I unit from the campaign on 8/19/1944 because HMS Berkeley has its DOD date then. All Hunt Is will be in place, and then dissappear all together on the DisappearanceDate.

BTW, I hope you are refering to add-on destroyer classes in some mod? Else I worry you are confusing classes. C class, as in the stock game, represnents early 1930s models (more or less A,B,C, and D) and the origional game dates are fine. The Ca class appeared in about 1942. These were single stackers that looked different altogether. But where did you get "O&P" class? Are you refering to "Sink Them All?"

bigboywooly 05-07-06 07:34 AM

o and p class
 
To be honest not sure where it came from - think it came with Grey Wolf along with th L etc. The Codrington should be the A class with the Codrington being the DD leader as is properly stated in its .cfg in Roster

booger2005 05-07-06 08:11 AM

Re: o and p class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly
To be honest not sure where it came from - think it came with Grey Wolf along with th L etc. The Codrington should be the A class with the Codrington being the DD leader as is properly stated in its .cfg in Roster

Yea, it souns like Grey Wolves Included Sink Them All?

You shouldn't change this (Codrington to A). A British DD leader of a class was not like the rest of its class. The leaders were larger, heavier and even had extra/different turrets. That's why someone decided to group the leaders into their own class. The class should include Codrington, Exmouth, and some others that were leaders.

bigboywooly 05-07-06 11:17 AM

gw
 
No i think it was just GW1 then the 1.1 as far as i know but then i have modded and played around so much you could be right-

well thats odd cos just checked in the middle of doing this and none of those ships are in the grey wolves i have used or the tonnage war i have or the Iub or U-BoatWarAce standaloneV1.6 so can honestly say cant remember where they appeared from -


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