Nuclear Bunker Buster Bombs againt Iran: Madness
 

Well that sounds................. :hmm:
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Saturday, 18 March 2006, 5:20 pm
Article: Global Research
Nuclear Bunker Buster Bombs againt Iran: This Way Lies Madness

by Stephen M. Osborn

GlobalResearch.ca

The latest information I have had from the followers of Bush is that he has demanded and received permission to use nuclear “bunker busters� in Iran in a preemptive strike. As a nuclear veteran (Operation Redwing, Bikini, 1956) I can affirm that this is absolute madness. The “bunker buster� is a cute sounding name for a nuclear horror. Air bursts are horrible enough, doing incredible destruction through heat, shock and high initial radiation. The fallout from an air burst is registered around the world. A surface or subsurface burst is even deadlier and more long lasting.

The Castle-Bravo blast at Bikini in 1954 was a fifteen megaton surface blast. It blew a hole over a mile wide and four hundred feet deep in the atoll, completely obliterating the island and vaporizing over thirteen billion cubic feet of coral, rock and water, sending it in a radioactive cloud extending into the stratosphere. The fallout over the atolls downwind was devastating to the people and ecology there. All of that material is rendered extremely radioactive and as it cools it condenses to fall as rain or radioactive “snow� which contaminates everything it touches. The effects are felt worldwide.

Firing der Bush’s bunker busters in Iran, or anywhere else for that matter, will vaporize hundreds of thousands of tons of earth, water and rock and send this radioactive soup downwind to kill and sicken whole populations. Those immediately downwind will die quickly, in hours or days. Those further downwind will take longer. The global incidences of cancers and disease will again rise markedly. The land downwind will remain contaminated and unusable for generations. If there were deep shelters, it has been postulated by the designers that the bunker busters would not penetrate deeply enough to affect them. I imagine that would initiate the attack theory of sending one nuke after another into the same hole. Picture the intensity of the radioactive disaster that would perpetrate on the area.

There are not too many of us left that witnessed the tests, but there are a number of groups that monitor the effects through cancers, birth defects, both physical and mental and monitoring of contamination in the environment. We are still feeling the results of those tests. I have exchanged e-mails with downwinders and with the children of downwinders who have had children with birth defects that had no previous history of such things in their families; who suffer from cancers that are peculiar to nuclear radiation.

Now we are facing the specter of Depleted Uranium, which is turning up in atmospheric filters around the world. Depleted Uranium is a nuclear byproduct of the nuclear industry. It is a low level radioactive material of extreme density. The half life of DU is 4.5 billion years. Workers in DU have to wear full protective equipment and respirators. DU ammunition is extremely hard and dense. It penetrates armor like tissue paper, vaporizing and burning, leaving dust and particles as shrapnel to be ingested or breathed. DU is not what the public thinks of as a radioactive material. It only emits alpha and beta radiation. A piece of paper will stop it. However, when it is in the lungs or elsewhere in the body, it is in contact with living tissue, bombarding that tissue with low level radiation for the rest of your life and beyond. That radiation can lead to cancers, genetic damage and eventual death.

Independent laboratories like Johns Hopkins have studied this and made predictions of the harm it can do. The government says, as it did with Agent Orange, “There is nothing to it, it is all in your head.� Meanwhile, people continue to sicken and die and will for generations.

Chernobyl was not a nuclear explosion. It was just a very hot, stubborn fire in nuclear fuel. Chernobyl and a huge surrounding area is uninhabitable for an estimated three to six hundred years. The fallout from Chernobyl contaminated food and livestock around Europe and Scandinavia for a long time, and the radiation is still traceable in the earth and some living things.

I, and many thousands like me, worked for many years to end the nuclear threat. Treaties were drawn up and ratified. The Peaceful Uses of Space treaty which guaranteed that no nation would use space as a platform for making war. That treaty is now derided by the American Military Establishment as naive. We are ready to take full control of the space around earth to provide a high ground for attack on any “threat� to the United States hegemony. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which was to keep nuclear weapon technology from spreading around the world. Der Bush has narrowed that down to anyone who could conceivably at some time in the future be a threat to American domination. Our “friends� can build what they want. We’ll even help them. The Arms Reduction Treaty between us and the CCCP. That was a treaty to destroy nuclear weapons and delivery systems on a mutual basis, with observers from each country verifying the destruction. Der Bush and Putin decided to change that to putting the weapons in storage instead of destroying them. Storage means access by black marketeers who can bribe poorly paid security guards and remove weapons and weapon grade material for resale to the highest bidder.

Treaties mean nothing to this government, of course, if they interfere with profits or power. The Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners is ignored, the international conventions against torture are ignored, the tenets of our own Bill of Rights and Constitution guaranteeing privacy and freedom of __expression to its citizens are being canceled our by der Bush and his minions, the United Nations Charter is ignored or derided. The Kyoto Protocols on global warming and other studies are ignored by this administration as they interfere with short term profits.

All of these breaches of humanity are overshadowed, however, by the possibility of our using nuclear weapons. The effects of that will be as earth shattering as global warming and pollution. This can be avoided very simply by not using them, the one thing we cannot count on der Bush doing unless we stop him by absolutely forbidding the use of nuclear weapons. Even better would be to forbid him from conducting so called “preemptive wars� with anybody who disagrees with him.


The link to the above - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0603/S00348.htm

This is old news. Bush has been lusting after these even before his second term while he has systematically, through both terms, been pulling America out of every international arms agreement he could manage to.

Yes its madness. But with a feeble minded dolt like Bush calling the shots what do you expect.

I still don't understand the big hoopla around nukes. Welcome to the real world people! There are nukes. And yes they are useful in warfare! Whoop de do!

Let me put this perspective straight. Hmm. You want to blow up a nuke plant, no? This nuke plant is below ground, no? This nuke plant will make the destroying nuke (the one to destroy it) dropped onto it, (in radiation output into the surrounding soil) insignificant, no? So what the hell is the problem? Crap! People in this world are all uptight about technology. Yes, you can kill someone with it, but isn't that better than that someone killing you later on with what they produce at this particular site?

It was written that the world is becoming a dumber place as time goes on, and I am beginning to see it. They worry about the 30,000 Japanese the US killed in WWII with a bomb, yet fail to remember the 35,000 Germans we burned alive only a month before.

Everything these days are so political. Friggen drop the nuke and be done with it. We vowed to do this to any hostile country after WWII, and we better damn well follow through with it since we will be the ones nuked if we don't.

Not too long ago, Sandia National Labs did a test that delivered 2 billion degress Kelvin without nukes alone. Let me see, they could theoretically achieve 100% efficiency out of this and make it destroy the world! Our nukes weapon wise is so out of date. We are verging on tech that can destroy our whole planet via Fusion alone! Crap, want to talk Anti Matter? I just hope the US is the first to develope Anti matter bombs. I assume they have one or two already, but still, this is just minor compared with the technology coming down the pipe!

-S

PS. The nano bots are prgrammed to find you and only you! They are coming to kill you! Be paranoid! They will act like a virus and only kill those that they are programmed to kill. Nukes are the least of your problems.

PPS. Another ignorant person:
You better hope that Bush is the person who is in control of these weapons! Unless you don't like your current way of life!

PPPS. Who do I vote for that will spend funding on Particle Accelerators??? They already have my vote!!!

Re: Nuclear Bunker Buster Bombs againt Iran: Madness
 

I don’t know how bad these bunker busters would be (but I find it interesting that the author of the article does not go into the size of said weapons), but the comments "der Bush" and "even better would be to forbid him from conducting so called 'preemptive wars' with anybody who disagrees with him" kinda turned me off of what he said. Plus it is from GlobalResearch.ca, which is not the most accurate source available. A better source would be Pravda ;) . Same goes with talking about how bad DU is. The name says it all, DU is depleted, thus the word depleted. The main thing to worry about it is that it is a heavy metal. Same thing with tungsten which is the other major material used for AP ammunition. So I wouldn’t trust this as far as I can throw it.

Re: Nuclear Bunker Buster Bombs againt Iran: Madness
 

They are tiny - 1 kiloton or less. Maybe even 700 ton class. Very low yeild, yet very effective in there job of collaspsing the problem area that is impervious to conventional bombing - even impervious to ground penetrating 4k'ers!

Think of it as a 100K pound bomb. Yes, it has a rad output, but probably much less than the output of the sun directing its energy upon the Earth in a day.

-S

PS. You own body has a rad output in a day.

i think your getttng confused with a bomd designed to penetrait a nuclear bunker and a nuclear bomb its a common fault that people that have no clue about military things when hms spartan docked in southhampton there where some CND protesters with banners saying remember hiroshima clearly not understanding the major difference between an nuclear weapon and a nuclear powerplant

Using a nuke to destroy a nuke....

Yep, the irony count is going off the scale... :shifty:

Sooner or later mankind probably will extinguish itself. Reading some of the comments here makes me feel glad about that. Else I would need to loose my trust in that there is a sense and reason in life and evolution.

Re: Nuclear Bunker Buster Bombs againt Iran: Madness
 

Yeah, no big deal. Should some terrorist get their hands on something of that yield and set it off in your backyard you might change your mind (should you live long enough to be able to) though.

What about the M.O.A.B Mother Of All Bombs, I believe that's a non nuclear bomb and it's the most powerful conventional bomb in the world today?

The "bunker busters" are similar to the artillery shells that we developed back in the late 50's.

They're only a couple of kilotons, and the really amazing thing is that they are slightly "shaped". The explosion is very slightly directed down toward the ground. I certainly don't know how it's done, although I can imagine with neutron reflectors and some fairly exotic radioactives. It's real purpose is to "tunnel" down to the bunker, so that later conventional airstrikes can actually hit the thing.

I'd imagine the entire place would be clicking-hot, regardless of the "conventionality" of the weapons used.

It is an airburst bomb. It sprays a mist of flammable material before it detonates. This would cause a large amount of overpressure to be created. Thus killing anything around the blast zone. The problem with it is that it is the size of a truck and you need to use a cargo aircraft to drop it.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/afweapons/l/blmoab.htm

B52 what about them surely they can deliver them biggest bombers in the world.

IIRC that's the bombers they do use to drop MOABs

I thought they used the C-130 Hercy-Bird :hmm: