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STEED 03-06-06 07:02 PM

Operation SeaLion 1940 (Final Conclusion)
 
Just to inform everyone this issue is closed military experts today made a study of the military academy Sandhurst re-enactment in 1974 with veterans from England and Germany and those who were part of the planning of SeaLion, would have ended in a military defeat for Germany, the invasion area Dover they would have only got 18 to 20 miles in land and after a week of fighting forced to withdraw.

CCIP 03-06-06 07:24 PM

Link? :hmm:

STEED 03-06-06 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP
Link? :hmm:

Sorry no link programme on Channel Four here in the UK a three part series The Real Dads Army.

Torpedo Fodder 03-06-06 10:35 PM

I heard about this too, and it doesn't surprise me, considering the Germans were using what were basically river barges for troop transports, and these could be swamped by the wake of a destroyer when fully loaded. Then there's the Royal Navy, who both the Kreigsmarine and Luftwaffe would be very hard pressed to eliminate even with air superiority, and would make getting those transports across the channel a very risky affair.

Seriously, the only reason D-Day succeded was the massive disinformation program the Allies ran during the preceding year to convince the Germans that the true landings would be at Calais. It's said that if the Germans knew the true locations of the D-Day landings as soon as 24 hours before the assault and acted on that info, it would have failed on the beaches. Hell even for some time after the landings, OKW was still convinced the landing was a diversionary thrust and didn't move forces away from Calais to Normandy until it was too late to stem the tide. I wonder how D-Day would have went if the Germans threw everything they had at the beachheads as soon as possible after the landings? If Operation Overlord, which was far better organized and equipped than Sealion, yet facing comparitivly weaker defences (and the attackers even had air superiority and almost no naval opposition to boot), would have failed if the defenders knew the true landing locations, I havn't much faith in the chances of Sealion's success.

Bertgang 03-07-06 07:07 AM

Good points, Torpedo Fodder, such operation in a known heavyly defended position, trough heavyly defended passages hardly could have had success.

I'll add that "Sea Lion" was a sort of experiment not planned in advance; why to allow the evacuation of Dunquerque, if you know that those soldiers later will defend theyr home ground?
The dream of an invasion appeared in Hitler's mind too late to have a decent hope of success.

STEED 03-07-06 08:26 AM

The Allies had a hard lesson in 1942 at Dieppe a lesson they did not repeat in 1944 at Normandy. :yep:

Oberon 03-07-06 11:33 AM

If Hitler had listened to Rommel (or anyone for that matter) the Wehrmarcht may well have been redeployed sooner.

August 03-07-06 11:38 AM

I'd take such pronouncements with a grain of salt. After all military history is filled with upsets.

Sailor Steve 03-07-06 01:35 PM

Torpedo Fodder, I agree with what you say concering disinformation, but I think another important factor to the success at Normandy was the assembly of the largest armada ever created, the use of dedicated seagoing ships and landing craft, and most importantly complete and utter control of the skies over the area.

Oberon 03-07-06 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Torpedo Fodder, I agree with what you say concering disinformation, but I think another important factor to the success at Normandy was the assembly of the largest armada ever created, the use of dedicated seagoing ships and landing craft, and most importantly complete and utter control of the skies over the area.

It certainly helped! ;)

XabbaRus 03-07-06 05:23 PM

I saw that too. Now I want to go on a search of the UK for all these stop lines.

In my small town by the bridge we have a pill box.
On Balmedie beach between some dunes there is one that is tipped over a bit.

Really interesting.

I was wondering though how the RN fleet would have survived with I am assuming submarines about who would be gunning for the fleet on the way down from Scapa.


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