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STEED 02-09-06 01:44 PM

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT
 
Invassion of Iran cancelled due to - http://brillig.com/debt_clock/

SUBMAN1 02-09-06 01:55 PM

This does need to get under control. Something must be done, but you are in an election year and politicians get elected because they promise to 'SPEND' money, so don't count on it happening this year.

-S

Iceman 02-09-06 01:56 PM

So when Iran fires off a nuke at ole England guess well have to post a link showing how much we owe as an explanation as to why we let England go down in flames huh?

Seems like what you are saying with the statment.

Because of Money we will let dirtbags run amok? I don't think so.

STEED 02-09-06 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman
So when Iran fires off a nuke at ole England

Don't make me laught what crap :rotfl: :rotfl:

Ducimus 02-09-06 03:03 PM

I think any Arab nuclear device will most likely be delivered in the form a small package within a city, as opposed to a ballistic missle. In other words If any wackjob towelhead wants to drop a nuke on somebody, they do need a missle to do it.

as for the national debt, WOW. talk about alot of digits. geez
Its gonna take us a couple decades to put a dent in that!

Torpedo Fodder 02-09-06 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED
Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman
So when Iran fires off a nuke at ole England

Don't make me laught what crap :rotfl: :rotfl:

Replace "England" with, say, Turkey or Israel or Saudi Arabia and it becomes a little more plausible (though in the case of Israel, their nukes would deal with Iran quite thoroughly before the US is even able to react).

As for the US government debt, as bad as it is they aren't even the worst offender; thier national debt is equal to about 64% of their annual GDP. For a few examples, Italy's is 101% of it's GDP and Japan's is 154% of it's GDP.

SUBMAN1 02-09-06 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus
I think any Arab nuclear device will most likely be delivered in the form a small package within a city, as opposed to a ballistic missle. In other words If any wackjob towelhead wants to drop a nuke on somebody, they do need a missle to do it.

as for the national debt, WOW. talk about alot of digits. geez
Its gonna take us a couple decades to put a dent in that!

Small package requires miniturization technology. The towelheads can't even create a shotgun style uranium bomb yet (Fission style), let alone a precise explosion plutonium based soccerball style.

Nuke building 101:

The easiest way to build an atomic bomb (We are not on to Nukes yet) is to put 50 kg + of Uranium 235 (The Hiroshima bomb used 60kg)in the same place at the same time. Assuming that this Uranium is surrounded by about 4 cm of beryllium (To reflect the Nuetrons), you will achieve critical mass (And anyone standing near will have a very bad day). The way to put these elements together yet keep it from exploding is to use a shotgun type method to seperate part of the Uranium and keep the main amount of Uranium just below crticial mass. At the time of detonation, the remainder of the Uranium is slammed down the tube and into the main amount of Uranium (bringing the required amount together) which starts the energy release otherwise known as fission. Now the bad news - if you use the best type of Uranium 235 known, your weapon will have a weight of around 1000 lbs. At worst, it could be well over 2000 lbs. Slightly too big for a suitcase.

What the towelheads in Iran are up to:

They are in the process of enriching Uranium to make it somewhat nasty and unstable making their Uranium-235 weapons grade material (Only .7 percent of natural uranium 235 is of weapons grade - but that can be fixed with a reactor). The resulting weapon would still require the byryllium shield and not suitcase material. The goal is to get it to the 1000 lbs class variety.

Next lesson (Since this post is getting long) is Plutonium based weapons and fusion - you will never achieve the megaton + sized bomb (the Soviets made a few that were 100 Megaton) without fusion, even with tritium enhancements.

-S

Deathblow 02-09-06 11:33 PM

Its good to know that others are so concerned with US financial issues... as well as everything else US. Eliciting such inquiry and intrigue speaks volumes. :yep:

But anyway... I don't think most people understand the significance, insignificance, or impact of what a deficit does and does not mean. Just an instinctual oogling response. :lol:

JSLTIGER 02-10-06 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
The Soviets made a few that were 100 Megaton

The link to the "Tsar Bomba":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

Talk about a slightly ridiculous bomb.

Kapitan 02-10-06 02:24 AM

13% of the U.S Debt is acctualy owed to the chinese :rotfl: as is 11.7% of the british.

but you got to have debt in a country in order to keep the inflation levels right to much means currency value decreases to little means no one spends.

im not going to even bother going into strong detail :zzz:

STEED 02-10-06 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Deathblow
Its good to know that others are so concerned with US financial issues... as well as everything else US. Eliciting such inquiry and intrigue speaks volumes. :yep:

But anyway... I don't think most people understand the significance, insignificance, or impact of what a deficit does and does not mean. Just an instinctual oogling response. :lol:

Well Said :up:

Torpedo Fodder 02-10-06 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitain
13% of the U.S Debt is acctualy owed to the chinese :rotfl: as is 11.7% of the british.

Those numbers don't add up, as according to the CIA world factbook only 1.4 trillion (17%) of the total US debt is external.

Type XXIII 02-10-06 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitain
13% of the U.S Debt is acctualy owed to the chinese :rotfl: as is 11.7% of the british.

but you got to have debt in a country in order to keep the inflation levels right to much means currency value decreases to little means no one spends.

im not going to even bother going into strong detail :zzz:

*cough*location:*cough*

tycho102 02-10-06 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Next lesson (Since this post is getting long) is Plutonium based weapons and fusion - you will never achieve the megaton + sized bomb (the Soviets made a few that were 100 Megaton) without fusion, even with tritium enhancements.

-S

You're close enough with everything else, so I've only this to add.

When we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the fireball didn't touch the ground. We did this mainly to increase the total physical destruction caused by the bomb.

This is a significant departure to what a terrorist would likely have to do (a Ryder truck at the top of the tallest hill in the city). The physical damage caused by the bomb will be much less, but it will spread a tremendous amount of radiation into the area. The dirt particles thrown up will collect all sorts of secondary radionucleotides and they will fall with the prevaling winds (typically a "sea breeze", heading inland).

02-10-06 05:56 PM

:) Yes, somewhere down the national debt line, the United States isn't going to be able to pay it's bills.


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