SU-47 Opinions
 

SU-47
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s37/
russian site
http://berkut.aircity.org/interface.php

Apart from looking good, I was just interested in subsimmers opinions on this aircraft. though it does remind me of the futuristic looking planes you'd see in cartoons etc
http://berkut.aircity.org/galerie/12.jpg
http://berkut.aircity.org/galerie/9.jpg
http://berkut.aircity.org/galerie/22.jpg

Is it just and outdated design from the end of the cold war and will have limited to no use in modern day
Is it relevent and would it have any chance against say the F-22.
Or are they both obselete in modern times and struggling for relevance?

I notice it's more for sub-sonic fighting than supercruise etc.

Is it going to be russian money well spent?

Snowsub.

Looks aside, a lot will depend on what's under the hood.
There'a various rumors in regard to that.

I don't think it'll be a match for the F-22 in the modern battlefield, but it might well be the next best thing. Again, provided that what's under the hood isn't same old. :hmm:

I don't think it's worthwhile for the RuAF...

If they can export it and make a few bucks, well, they need a few bucks. And yes, it sure do look purty.

PD

why are the wings that way? anyone care to ellaborate?

It would be nice to see this in Lomac that's for sure. :yep:

according to what i heard it has a top speed of mach 2.7 and isnt very fuel efficent it has the same range as the F/A18E super hornet but on the plus side its more monoverable than any previous russian fighter including the Mig29 and is said to be more monverable than the F15 or F16 because of its forward swept wings.

NASA had ago at it but they couldnt get it to work project X-26

Well, first I think cost wise it's much more efficient than the F22. I would guess you can have 5 Sus for the price of one F22, but who knows for sure!

Also, I heard the russians are very heavily into milking the most of the engines, and they are building new models that they fit into all the old planes as well, thus making the upgrade to newer fighters better.

the X22 is such an old design, if I'm not mistaken, it's been around for 15 years, and only now they are making it. So how modern is it REALLY anyway!

And looks wise, it does look quite dated design, but I want to say 'classic' as it just sounds better!

From the 1st link posted:

But they have drawbacks as well: at supersonic speeds they don't provide lift as well and have stability problems, and they also produce a much higher RCS than conventional wings, making them a bad idea for aircraft that are supposed to be "stealthy". It's unlikely that any production fighter in the forseeable future will have FSW; There is currently no indication that Russia's next-generation PAK-FA fighter program will use FSW.

The YF-22 prototypes first flew in 1991. The production models first flew in 1997, and while they may appear similar to the YF-22, they are in fact very different aircraft.

How so?

if you take the wings and put them like they 'should be' (:)) - than it's very similar plane to all the other ones russia made in the last 30 years. If compared to the YF22 the surfaces look very different, etc and in general its american counterparts seem to look more 'edgy' and modern. I like the look of the new SU, esp. in black, though, but it's by no means a revolutionary looking as the F117 or even the YF.

I remember reading in the manual for F22 TAW (so not to be taken as gospel) that the design for the F22 started back in the late 70's early 80's?

Wondering when the Su started development....

Also on not being stealthy, I'm not sure the cost is really worth it.
I've heard the Jindalee Over the Horizon Radar can easily pick up the B1 Stealth Bomber, basically cause it bounces the radar of the statosphere "down" onto the plane negating the stealth.
Although Aust being allies of the US, the USAF doesn't have to worry until some other contry develops it
http://www.baesystems.com.au/site/page.cfm?u=351
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindale...-horizon_radar
http://defence-data.com/features/fpage37.htm

She looks a beaut!

i hope some modder makes this plane into a mod for
LO:MAC (lock on).

How do you get range from an over-the-horizon radar? Do they have some mean of constantly measuring the height of the reflecting layers?

It was a huge problem with Decca and Loran positionning system...

How can bouncing radar unstealth a stealth plane?
Can you even get a return from a bouncing signal? Can a signal even bounce? Not a radar tech but it sounds kind of hokey.

Stealth is not only material and electronics, but also flight profile, and surface angles (trying to reflect radar energy into direction where a transmitters can't pick up the reflections). The angle to which a stealth vehicle is exposed to radar also is important. Usually radar paints a normally flying plane from front, side, rear, and stealth planes are optimised to be very much invisible from these aspects. But if they get painted directly from below or above, their visibility increases immensely. Don't know how much visible they become. But to think of stealth capability as complete invisibility to radar, no matter at what angle the stealthed object gets hit by radar, is a myth. that stealth bombers are also very much invisible to let's say AAA radar in target areas that they release weapons on (means: flying overhead of target) is because many radar system are not capable to emit directly overhead.

My source: a Luftwaffe electronics technician who is working on Tornados.