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Happy Times 11-24-05 12:12 PM

Russia
 
Opinions. I personally sadly see the last two more likely than the first option :-? Russia is the source of continual interest to Finns because of history and geopolitics.

Kapitan 11-24-05 12:25 PM

russia is to strong to break apart it has the same for as america it would be like florida and san fransisco declaring independance russia is formed of sort of states so it wouldnt be practical nor logical

russia will not become part of europe as 1/2 thier land falls into asia and plus they dont meet a few requirements

Happy Times 11-24-05 12:26 PM

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plus they dont meet a few requirements
I would agree.

Kapitan 11-24-05 12:28 PM

civil war dont think so russians are very highly strung and very patriotic even if they dont say so they are

civil war doubt

joea 11-24-05 01:41 PM

They are not dumb the Russians, they ARE nationalist, not that that is bad as such, but will only expand to the palces they can, for now Central Asia I think now that folk liek Uzbek president Karimov are angry with the US a good opportunity for the Russians. :yep:

Type941 11-24-05 02:01 PM

Nationalist AND expansionist?? :hmm: As opposed to Finns, who are just nationalist or ?? :rotfl: What a silly poll options.


Russia won't be a 'part of europe' in a sense that Germany is a part of Europe. Russia actually doesn't need Europe - it's big and self sufficient country, as opposed to so many nations that make up Europe. I assure you, Russia doesn't even want to be a part of EU or any other elite local club. The only place the want is WTO.

Regarding democracy bit, again, democracy means different things to different people.

I can smell that behind your poll (and judging by your comments in the past) is just one thing: you hope Russia breaks up and Korelia becomes part of Finland. And the hell with the rest of the country, and its people.

:down:

Happy Times 11-24-05 02:52 PM

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ationalist AND expansionist?? Hmmm As opposed to Finns, who are just nationalist or ??
Well Finnish nationalism in 19th century was created by the russification attemps and led to independence. ;) There arent strong nationalistic political partys/movements in Finland today.
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Russia actually doesn't need Europe - it's big and self sufficient country, as opposed to so many nations that make up Europe.
Actually Russia is pretty vulnerable to world market prices, 80% of its exports are natural riches. And it has to import a lot of products.
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Regarding democracy bit, again, democracy means different things to different people.
What do you meen? The basic principles are pretty clear.
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I can smell that behind your poll (and judging by your comments in the past) is just one thing: you hope Russia breaks up and Korelia becomes part of Finland. And the hell with the rest of the country, and its people.
More like hell whit its leaders and wake up and smell the coffee to the people. :up:

CCIP 11-24-05 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Type941
Regarding democracy bit, again, democracy means different things to different people.

Amen to that.

Russia is still in deep trouble, but the problems are less political and more social.

As far as Russians, although due to the social problems there is a growing nationalist movement, it's still very much in the minority.

If there's anything generalizable that Russians are, meanwhile, it's that they're incredibly passive politically.

Democracy? Let's not fool ourselves. Nationalism? It's not strong enough yet. Break up? To what? There's no strong regional loyalties, with a few exceptions in the Caucasus perhaps - but these are tiny.

My bet - Russia stays in its' quasi-democratic former-KGB limbo. In a few decades, perhaps, Siberia goes to China. I don't think the Karelia thing might go far - but perhaps if Finland gets rich, they could buy it.

kiwi_2005 11-24-05 11:16 PM

For the Motherland :rock:

Happy Times 11-24-05 11:25 PM

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Break up? To what? There's no strong regional loyalties, with a few exceptions in the Caucasus perhaps - but these are tiny.
http://www.cdi.org/russia/305-7.cfm There are other opinions about this. Though i see the autoritarian centralized scenario more likely. :-?

Oberon 11-25-05 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
For the Motherland :rock:

"We will bury them!" :rock:

Catfish 11-25-05 04:06 AM

Russia...
 
Hello,
as long as Putin is "president", there will be no change to democracy. If you observe what happens to free business leaders this is nothing more than dictatorship. Russia is currently ruled by the secret service, almost every leading post of business is filled with persons from Putin's organisation. Any free capitalist (e.g. Gasprom) is being accused of ridiculous actions "against the Russian state" and being thrown into prison. This is not the change that was already visible during Gorbatschov's time, but a fallback - only with a "capitalist" mantle and no free enterprises. There are no free elections, not even in the US style of democracy.
Greetings,
Catfish

Kapitan 11-25-05 06:01 AM

there is free elections ive seen a polling card and it doesnt just list putins name a dozen times it lists everything including communist leaders which might i add are the third most powerful party in the kremlin

Kapitan 11-25-05 06:01 AM

there is free elections ive seen a polling card and it doesnt just list putins name a dozen times it lists everything including communist leaders which might i add are the third most powerful party in the kremlin

kiwi_2005 11-25-05 06:26 AM

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We will bury them

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