Another Alternative History
 

As we know today, Winston Churchill warned about the Nazis and Hitler in the beginning of the 30's and his warnings was overheard.

Lets play with the idea that the Parliament in UK, America, Russia and other countries takes his warning serious and invade Germany in the middle of the 30's.

Here's my questions:

1. Will they have success in such an attempt, invading Germany ?
2. How would Germany and Europe develop after this ?

Markus

I think this will eventually make the Germans feel.more anger.

Like they did after WW1.
Germany would have been conquered for sure.
But the Germans will feel like they are unjustly treated.

More nationalistic movements will rise in Germany.
The cold war, between the US and Russia will have started much early.

One thing i'm pretty sure... if the German empire won WW1, the Nazi party would never rise to power. It would exist but not as popular as it was.

1. Easily. The Reichswehr was a small army, and even though the soldiers were of high qualiy (the limitations of the Versailles treaty enabled the Reichswehr to only employ the best) they did not have the quantity.

2. This is a very difficult question. There sure would have been a lot of resentment, not just among the Germans, but also among other peoples. France (which had lost a lot of male population during WWI) and Britain (whose economy was in shambles, with an empire ready to break apart) would only have fought for the bronze medal in this - a basically worthless trophy. Also the USA at that time were already deep in their isolationist phase - so this would likely have meant that all of Europe would have fallen to communism.

Divergence Point: November 1918

In this timeline, the sailors’ revolt that sparked the German Revolution is met not only with grassroots outrage but with coordinated leadership by the Spartacus League under Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht. Instead of drifting into the fractured councils of the Workers’ and Soldiers’s Councils, Luxemburg negotiates a tenuous alliance between the moderate Social Democratic Party (SPD) and the Spartacists. The result: a provisional “People’s Coalition” government that carries genuine revolutionary momentum but avoids the military crackdown that historically decapitated the Spartacist uprising.

1920s: Consolidation and the Left’s Rebirth

1. Unified Left Front (1920–1923)
   • The People’s Coalition enacts sweeping land reforms, workers’ councils in key industries, and public-works programs that dramatically reduce unemployment.
   • The Free Corps (Freikorps), instead of fighting leftists, splinter due to lack of popular support, with many members integrating into a newly democratized Reichswehr or into civilian life.
2. Economic Stabilization
   • Unlike the hyperinflation crisis of 1923 in our timeline, this government pursues responsible fiscal policy combined with state-backed industrial credit. The mark stabilizes, reparations are renegotiated in cooperation with Britain and France, and Berlin becomes a model of post-war reconstruction.
3. Political Landscape
   • The Spartacus League transforms into the German Workers’ and Peasants’ Republic (GWPR) party, campaigning on achieved reforms.
   • Far-right movements, including Hitler’s nascent Nazi faction, struggle to gain traction amid relative prosperity and genuine political inclusion. Street violence flares briefly in 1922 but is quashed by well-organized workers’ militias answerable to civilian councils.

1930s: The Defeat of the Nazi Threat

1. Beer Hall Putsch Prevented (1928)
   • Small but persistent, a Munich-based Nazi rally is met by local workers’ councils determined to prevent any coup attempt. The putative “Putsch” fizzles without the tacit support of senior generals; Hitler is arrested and tried, sentenced to ten years but released after five on strict probation.
2. Electoral Politics and Propaganda
   • The GWPR’s candidate, Clara Zetkin, wins the 1932 presidential election comfortably. Under her leadership, political education campaigns expose the racist, anti-Semitic core of Nazi ideology, neutralizing their ability to recruit among the unemployed and conservative middle classes.
3. Legal Bans and Social Isolation
   • In 1933, following a Nazi-organized rally that culminates in a small riot, the Reichstag passes an “Anti-Violence Act” outlawing paramilitary organizations. The Nazi Party is banned outright, its assets confiscated, and its leaders detained.

1940s–1950s: A Different Europe

1. No World War II
   • With Germany firmly in the hands of a socialist-leaning, democratic government, Hitler’s expansionist ambitions never materialize. The Anschluss of Austria still occurs by popular referendum in 1936, but it’s a federal integration under strong workers’ council oversight—and with full protection for Austria’s Jewish and liberal communities.
2. Soviet Relations and the Cold Peace
   • The GWPR establishes cordial but wary ties with the USSR. A “Peace Pact of Berlin” signed in 1941 codifies mutual non-aggression. No Eastern Front, no Siege of Leningrad, no Normandy—Europe evolves into a multi-polar balance rather than a bipolar standoff.
3. Decolonization and Global Influence
   • Germany’s example of peaceful, worker-driven reform accelerates independence movements in India, Indonesia, and Africa. “The Berlin Model” (combining democratic elections with robust social welfare) becomes influential at the United Nations, founded in 1945.

Cultural and Social Legacy

• Arts and Philosophy: Berlin flourishes as a haven for Expressionism and critical theory. Rosa Luxemburg’s writings become standard university fare worldwide.
• Technology and Science: State investment in education leads to breakthroughs in early computing (aided by émigré scientists from Eastern Europe) and nuclear research strictly under civilian oversight.
• Memory and Monuments: The “Tower of the Red Banner” in Berlin commemorates the revolutionary unity of 1918, standing opposite a peaceful memorial garden for victims of all political violence.

Key Takeaways

• Institutionalized Workers’ Power in 1918–23 prevents the socio-economic collapse that fed extremism.
• Early Legal and Political Marginalization of the Nazis dismantles their platform long before they can coalesce into a mass movement.
• A Socialist Democracy in Germany reshapes global geopolitics, averting World War II as we know it and inspiring progressive governance worldwide.

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In this alternate history, the Spartacus League’s early victory not only defeats the Nazis but also lights a path toward a more equitable—and remarkably more peaceful—20th century.

^ An interesting timeline I must say.

With these alternative history, there isn't any wrong answers.

Markus

Allies definitely should not have betrayed Czechoslovakia and sacrificed it to Germany to try to avoid war.


Give Germany czech tanks and war factories was stupid mistake.

Ok..... The Allies invade Germany. Germany quickly capitulates. Hitler quits Politics and goes back to Painting. He becomes an acclaimed artist worldwide. Highly influential. He collaborates with Japanese artists and produces Anime :)

He's already invented Fanta :up:

The world goes down the Steampunk "road".......there's no mobile phones :yeah: no internet, no rock n roll. Beautiful Art Deco fashion and cars.

The British Empire survives and becomes "Pax Brittanica" :)

If only :)

Its easy to judge after what happend.

Some people call the German invasion of Russia in 1941 a big mistake.
But there are unofficial rumors that the Russians had plans to invade Germany itself...

The story between the UK and Germany is also pretty interesting.
Hitler always wanted to seek a peace deal with the UK. It was in no interest to invade the UK. The Germans could have bombed and massacred the entire British army at Dunkirk with ease. But there was no real political will.

Sometimes i'm trying to look at the perspective of Germany. They felt unjustly treated after WW1.

Look up the the Occupation of the Ruhr in 1923, that was the combined Belgian/ French invasion of West Germany around the Ruhr region.
This invasion had a lot of condemnation from the world.

I'm not pro Hitler. But i can understand that the Germans were kinda fed up because of the treaty of Versailles. So radical nationalist movements appeared around Germany.
When the Germans invaded Poland in 1939. The UK and France also declared war on Germany (after the Germans got warned)
Its true that the Germans eventually invaded France. But don't forget that France and the UK actually declared war. And why didn't they declare war on the Soviet Union? While they also invaded Poland a few weeks later ?

I honestly believe if the Western powers invaded Germany in the 1930's. Radical movements like the Nazi party would still gain supporters. We would eventually see a strong increase of nationalist movements in the 1950's. Thats also the reason the Allied powers decided to help build Germany back up after WW2. And not leaving them with noting.

Without the harsh Treaty of Versailles, i think the Nazi party won't gain so much supporters...

^ This was why I asked these two questions in my first post.

It is, as you said easy to judge after it has happened.

Germany-Do not forget that Germany was divided almost right after WWII where West Germany got help via the Marshall and East Germany had to pay a lots of money to Moscow

Markus

same here, Moscow forced us to reject Marshall plan and they have stolen all our uranium

It still remains a interesting subject.
Things that happend during WW2 had a huge impact today.

If also heard that the interbellum periode (time between WW1 and WW2)
was also an interesting time period.

Some historians say that the end of WW1 triggered a future war.
If it wasn't Germany, some other European power would start a war.
I would say that the Soviet Union would be seen as the bad guy. Germany only postponed the cold war i guess.

At the end of WW2. The Germans even wanted to seek a peace deal with the Western powers, (US and UK) and join forces to fight of the Communist threat in the east. The Germans were partly right. But it was not ethical for the West to sign a peace deal with Nazi Germany.

This was one of the biggest mistake Hitler did-If he had the knowledge, he would know that UK and France was war tired. Second mistake was his attack on Poland-Thereby getting UK and France on his neck.

Markus

The non agression pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union was also seen as something important.

It gave the Germans some bufferzone in the east.
But they broke the pact in 41.