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McBeck 09-01-20 12:08 PM

What would you include?
 
So I am outlining the script for my video on the Battle of the Atlantic and even though I have my own perception about what this should include, I want to make sure I dont miss out on a central area.

So if you were to name 5 things that had to be included in describing the Battle of the Atlantic, what would they be?

Jimbuna 09-01-20 12:11 PM

Convoys for obvious starters.

Catfish 09-01-20 02:52 PM

I would say there are more than 5 central points :)

Wolf packs (and why there were no real ones/less coordinated)
U-boat tactics, Doenitz etc.
Convoy tactics
Lend and lease
US expanding its territorial waters to the mid-atlantic
The US at war without declaring it
US not reacting to U-boat threat at first (King etc.)
Race for Norway - U-boat bases
The "taking" of Island
The "Momp"
ASDIC, hydrophones (all sides)
Radio, extreme long wave transfer, HFDF vs. taboos etc.
The Radar war, FunkMess
High seas supply of U-boats
Infrared detection and use by U-boats
German hacking and reading of british codes since before the war
Bletchly park and restricted use of hacked codes to not let the enemy find out
Influence of air superiority, also mentioning german bombers and torpedo bombers from the arctic (Norway bases) to bay of Biscay (sinking ships and shooting down enemy planes, Sunderland hunting)
German U-boat bases France and generally

and a lot of others ..

Platapus 09-01-20 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by McBeck (Post 2693157)

So if you were to name 5 things that had to be included in describing the Battle of the Atlantic, what would they be?


How are you defining and bounding the Battle of the Atlantic, both geographically and temporally?


Are you including only combat or are you considering logistic, intelligence, political and cultural aspects?

McBeck 09-02-20 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2693187)
I would say there are more than 5 central points :)

Wolf packs (and why there were no real ones/less coordinated)
U-boat tactics, Doenitz etc.
Convoy tactics
Lend and lease
US expanding its territorial waters to the mid-atlantic
The US at war without declaring it
US not reacting to U-boat threat at first (King etc.)
Race for Norway - U-boat bases
The "taking" of Island
The "Momp"
ASDIC, hydrophones (all sides)
Radio, extreme long wave transfer, HFDF vs. taboos etc.
The Radar war, FunkMess
High seas supply of U-boats
Infrared detection and use by U-boats
German hacking and reading of british codes since before the war
Bletchly park and restricted use of hacked codes to not let the enemy find out
Influence of air superiority, also mentioning german bombers and torpedo bombers from the arctic (Norway bases) to bay of Biscay (sinking ships and shooting down enemy planes, Sunderland hunting)
German U-boat bases France and generally

and a lot of others ..

Did you just list the index of "Hitlers uboat war" ? :03:

McBeck 09-02-20 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2693200)
How are you defining and bounding the Battle of the Atlantic, both geographically and temporally?


Are you including only combat or are you considering logistic, intelligence, political and cultural aspects?

I am thinking of this from the perspective of the battle the uboats participated in in the Atlantic, but I would also consider outside key considerations like how the intelligence gathering impacted this.

However, the primary focus is the uboats battle and what they faced

Catfish 09-02-20 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by McBeck (Post 2693274)
Did you just list the index of "Hitlers uboat war" ? :03:

oops someone found out :haha:

Von Due 09-02-20 05:03 AM

If the U-boat operations are central in your video, then intelligence gathering is one key point you don't want to miss. The successes and failures of the British (in particular) Intel services had a massive impact on the u-boat war in the Atlantic.

Aktungbby 09-02-20 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McBeck (Post 2693274)
Did you just list the index of "Hitlers uboat war" ? :03:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2693281)
oops someone found out :haha:

It was Blairingly obvious!:O:

McBeck 09-02-20 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Von Due (Post 2693282)
If the U-boat operations are central in your video, then intelligence gathering is one key point you don't want to miss. The successes and failures of the British (in particular) Intel services had a massive impact on the u-boat war in the Atlantic.

Thanks for the feedback and this is one of the areas i was considering, but didnt know if played a big role (im still in the beginning of "Hitler uboat war" with 84758395783 pages to go!:haha::doh:

McBeck 09-02-20 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2693158)
Convoys for obvious starters.

And theeeeeeen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwzuiSy9y0

mapuc 09-02-20 03:57 PM

I have always loved history program especially about WWII and American civil war (last few years also WWI)

In almost 100 % of the programs about warfare at sea above and below waterline it has been concentrating what is on the list which Catfish posted.

In all these years I have so far only seen one of these history programs where they looked into the crew and psychology.

Markus

August 09-02-20 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McBeck (Post 2693157)
So I am outlining the script for my video on the Battle of the Atlantic and even though I have my own perception about what this should include, I want to make sure I dont miss out on a central area.

So if you were to name 5 things that had to be included in describing the Battle of the Atlantic, what would they be?


You need to get more specific.



If you are looking for a short and generalized overall description then you should include at least:

England (and the Soviets) vital need for sea borne supplies.
The various German and Allied ships and aircraft used.
How and why the tide of the battle turned.
The evolution of strategy and tactics.
The aftermath.


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