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Skybird 02-15-17 07:08 PM

Would you be willing to fight to defend your country?
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...e8&sh=d3234c04 It could have been worse for Germany. We could have ended like in the last ESC - as last.

AndyJWest 02-15-17 08:18 PM

A fairly meaningless survey. What does 'fight for your country mean'?* Actively participate in any military action whatsoever, regardless of what the reason for it was? Take part in military action where your country was under immediate threat? Or take part in a civil war to ensure your country followed a specific course, or was led by specific individuals (I see Afghanistan is near the top of the list)? And then there is a question as to what 'your country' means - as far as the UK is concerned for example, it isn't always clear cut.

And then there is the issue of who you are asking: I think it highly unlikely at my age that circumstances would arise where I'd be asked to participate in a war. I can't seem to find the original survey results online, but according to Huff Post UK, "The survey, conducted across 64 countries, found that 18-24 year-olds were most likely to say they would take up arms, while men were 15% more likely to do so than women" ()http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_6940594.html). Which rather suggests that people are most likely to answer 'yes' if they are among the demographic most likely to be asked to fight. Furthermore, such international surveys are always prone to inaccuracy simply because questions have to be translated: even minor changes in wording in a single-language survey can often result in significantly different results. Taking all this into consideration, I'd suggest that the survey is good for little beyond generating headlines on an off day.

*Note the wording of the survey question (at least as reported by Reddit and the Huff Post) isn't the same as Skybirds topic title.

Oberon 02-15-17 08:27 PM

The best I could hope to be would be a sandbag. :haha:

No, I'm no soldier, if the situation arose where those I love were threatened, then I would fight, but beyond that I make no promises or pledges of loyalty.

August 02-15-17 08:52 PM

I once wrote the government a blank check on my life and i'd volunteer again if the cause was just.

Oberon 02-15-17 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August (Post 2466384)
I once wrote the government a blank check on my life.

If I did that it would probably bounce. :03:

Catfish 02-16-17 02:55 AM

I would have, certainly. Back then i hated army and navy for the boring waste of time and had some clashes with superiors, but i did my job. I was actually quite good in it, but saw no future in the military.
We had an instructor during basic training which [sic] was a swine. I am sure he would have been shot from behind in the first day of a real war.
With some more intelligent people i guess it could have been a completely different experience. But certain people and mindsets seem to accumulate in certain .. branches.
I'm too old by now anyway.

Last time i thought i'd really take up a weapon was when 'Daesh' destroyed Palmyra.

^^^ Sandbag would be a good job description for me though :haha:

ikalugin 02-16-17 04:53 AM

In general I will. However I also must, as I am a reservist and if reservists are mobilised I am legally obliged to answer that call. This means that if Russia was invaded or if general war has began I would go into the Armed Forces.

That said I would only volonteer in only few cases, when I both feel strong moral responsibility to go and when there is no official mobilisation. Back in 2014 I was considering going to Ukraine.

Catfish 02-16-17 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2466424)
[...] Back in 2014 I was considering going to Ukraine.

For which side.. ? :03:

ikalugin 02-16-17 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2466430)
For which side.. ? :03:

Separatists.

Oberon 02-16-17 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2466415)
We had an instructor during basic training which [sic] was a swine.

Was his name Himmelstoß? :03:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...2/55U9J_Wb.jpg

Jimbuna 02-16-17 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2466378)
The best I could hope to be would be a sandbag. :haha:

At my age, the same but in younger years I reckon I would have and being a LEO meant I had an automatic exemption.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2466378)
No, I'm no soldier, if the situation arose where those I love were threatened, then I would fight, but beyond that I make no promises or pledges of loyalty.

Yes, without a doubt.

ikalugin 02-16-17 07:37 AM

Meanwhile:
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/53883
Looks like the tensions are rising.

Oberon 02-16-17 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2466453)
Meanwhile:
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/53883
Looks like the tensions are rising.

Seems fairly straight-forward, google translate notwithstanding, it's a similar viewpoint that most nations are taking, that things are not improving in the global security situation. A resumption of activities in the Ukraine is very likely with the US not sure which way it's going and the EU in the midst of self-destruction. I'm interested to see what becomes of Belarus in the coming twelve months. :hmmm:

ikalugin 02-16-17 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2466459)
Seems fairly straight-forward, google translate notwithstanding, it's a similar viewpoint that most nations are taking, that things are not improving in the global security situation. A resumption of activities in the Ukraine is very likely with the US not sure which way it's going and the EU in the midst of self-destruction. I'm interested to see what becomes of Belarus in the coming twelve months. :hmmm:

Lukashenko tried to sit on two chairs for too long, I hope he learned from Yanukovich.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/art...oe-uproschenie
Levada-center (a social reserach/polling organisation) complains that Russian society grows more authoritarian by the day.
p.s. the article is quite interesting and is worth reading.

August 02-16-17 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2466448)
Separatists.

I thought your boss said no Russian troops were fighting with the separatists? Seems that was a lie based on your post.


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