Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood declared Terrorist Organization
 

Well Merry Christmas, Middle East!

Bout time! The Egyptian government has declared the MB to be a gang of terrorists. This will have a significant impact on coming election - much to the good I suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/12...rrorist-group/

Why is it about time and why do you think it will have a good impact on the Egyptian elections?

A fair question, Tarjak. And one I probably should have answered without being asked.

The MB was, under Mubarak, outlawed. When he was deposed and elections were held, the MB was elected to power after defining themselves as moderate. After achieving primary political power however, the MB began pursuing governmental positions that indicated a more "extreme" translation of Islam than they initially promised. It became so bad that after roughly one year, the MB was removed from power by mass demonstrations and the actions of the Egyptian military in accordance with the will of the Egyptian people.

Specifically, the MB lead by Morsi - attempted multiple drastic changes to the Egyptian Constitution, some of which would have enshrined a very specific type of sharia law, provided the president with dictatorial powers, etc.

The MB have called for and been the source of violence against Christians.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/...gyptian-church
http://www.christianpost.com/news/ch...-video-102391/

So why is this good for Egyptians?

It means that they have spoken, don't want an extremist government, and now their political process will not be muddied by those who have already proven that their agenda is all about power and religious intolerance.

It means that the next election in Egypt has a much higher chance of creating a secular government focused on what is good for the people of Egypt.

Egypt never was secular, Haplo, not under Mubarak, and not before. Christians always were the scapegoats of Muslim society, pogroms were quite frequent, and still are, legal discrimination is in practical life the norm. During the Mubarak years and after that, over 80% of the population were expressing strong sympathy with views on an Islamic state as demanded by the MB.

The MB is one of the most deeply rooting support networks of international Islamic extremism and terrorism. They tried to give themselves a friendly face during their election campaign,m but that was deception only, deception meant for the audience in Europe especially. The involvement and influence of the MB in international Islamic terrorism and extremism can hardly be overestimated.

Also note that the population is kind of split i its appreciation of the current Egyptian rulers. This decision today is none made by the people, or in their name. It is expression of a merciless powerstruggle between the military and the rich corrupt elite living by it, and the MB.

In the long run, I expect to see a more or less unhidden military dictatorship again in Egypt, much like the regime by Mubarak. But that is much better still than having the MB planting its seeds from governmental offices, unobjected and perfectly and legal by the abused law's letter. Legal, and reasonable, are two totally different things. And the value of moral rules gets decided not by laws, but the reasonability of people's deeds and decisions. A military dictatorship and the nepotism and corruption in its wake, is the far lesser evil of the two.

I think the same about Turkey, where now the power struggle between the Gülen movement and the AKP has broken out openly. My advice would be: military coup, and then cracking down hard on both AKP and Gülen as well.

I agree that they're not a force for good. (No political party is imo). But I struggle to find any direct terrorist action they're responsible for hence my disquiet at them being outlawed. It seems more to do with political power playing in Egypt than for any good reason.
I don't want to see them regain power if the people over there don't want them. But isn't that the people to choose and not an interim governments choice?

The Egyptian people I know of both Christian and Muslim persuasion are concerned they are seeing more of the same with the likely outcome being another Mubarek or Morsi coming to power. The problem they see is that the more moderate candidates on both sides are not popular meaning the extreme views tend to be the ones that attract the votes.

Don't know what the solution is but suspect that this action is likely to increase the popularity of the extremists views resulting more violent reactions.

If there's proof of MB involvement in terror, then the government should show it before declaring an organisation as criminal.

Tarjack - the second link I provided links to a MB memo that encourages violence against Christians.

Remember Benghazi? Gotta love the video that has someone involved yelling "Don't shoot! Dr. Morsi sent us!"

Details here:
http://www.examiner.com/article/liby...enghazi-attack

Some of us are not surprised at all..

Is this from the same source that claims Obama has links ro MB?
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-linked-to-egyptian-muslim-brotherhood

The link you mentioned may not hold muxh credence given the source. Coming from a known ant-islamic loony bin like IPT, I'm surprised that they are not claiming stronger "evidence". http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/investi...-on-terrorism/

Tell you what, Tarjak....

Regarding the connection between Obama and the MB.....

Will you argue with Telani Al-Jebali (al Gebali), the former Chancellor of the Constitutional Court of Egypt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFD3pijqYc

Translation quoted:
As for debunking IPT, linking to a group who admit they are merely bloggers and who choose to label those they disagree with using pejoratives such as "loons" isn't exactly a using compelling and credible source. When folks have to result to insults instead of respectful debate, it is an indication that a detailed examination of the facts do not support their position. It is the old play - if you can't discredit the facts, sidetrack the argument by discrediting the messenger. In fact, I wouldn't doubt a certain member of Subsim would be an excellent addition to their group.

Examing the article you linked shows it has a glaring and obvious flaw in its stance that demonstrates they are more interested in spin than fact....

The blog quotes a study that tracked federal indictments of American Islamic terrorists, noting that the number of indictments dropped. While that is accurate, it fails to take into account the POLITICAL dimension - the reality that the current administration has no desire to prosecute domestic terrorists. After all, it is not the American muslim you should fear, it is the evil "rich" white conservative male with a gun who hates the old, the poor and any immigrant. Prosecuting larger numbers of muslims would be counterproductive to the message that the administration wants to propagate. Remember - this is a Justice Department that called the Ft. Hood shooting a case of "workplace violence" instead of an act of domestic terror. So big surprise the number of indictments on domestic terror are down......

One need only look at Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, or Egypt to see that the current administration has no intent on ending the war on Islamic terror and extremism with anything remotely resembling victory. Or are every one of those issues simply "fodder for the loonies"?

One only has to look at the actions taken by the military dictatorship against the anti morsi groups who they claim gave them the authority for staging the coup to see the nature of the beast which haplo thinks is wonderful:doh:
All the military are managing to do with this "outlawing" is further shred the illusions of legitimacy which some people still swallow, and further strengthen the MB.:down:
why does your quoted translation end before the question?

When the messenger says things like this it's no wonder he makes himself a target:

Back OT, however given this move is purely political and not based on any facts that the Egyptian Interim Administration has actually mentioned I'd suggest that its probably not a good thing for the Egyptian people, the majority of which voted for MB in the first place. Put yourself in their shoes. Obama the "tyrant" decides to outlaw the GOP. Then tell me that that's OK because the tea party has some pretty radical ideas about violence as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8y2F8RGzAk No translation required.

Also do you have the stones to name names?

Come on Tarjak, its an old play.
Recent example
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that's crazy white supremacists and their "facts" are easily proved wrong.
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that's crazy far right loons and their "facts" are wrong
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more loonies, same "facts", still wrong.
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more rubbish, exactly the same "facts", still wrong and you have already conceded that the "facts" are not facts.
:wah:you only attack the source and don't deal with facts

Simple:up:

True. Still its me birthday, so I felt like a bit of sport.

Well Happy Birthday, and a Happy St. Stephens day too:Kaleun_Cheers:

Cheers Tribesman.

Cheers Tarjak,